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Tony Hsieh bankrolled his followers, who enabled his risky lifestyle

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Re: Tony Hsieh bankrolled his followers, who enabled his risky lifestyle

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"Among the many friends the entrepreneur made over his life, some said the cause of his death had spanned many months, in plain sight to those who surrounded him. Last summer, his Park City companions hired an on-call doctor. Unless Mr. Hsieh moderated his drug and alcohol use, the doctor said, he would die within six months."

It's one thing to overly indulge a billionaire friend, it's another to endanger his physical/mental well being to the point of death.

Re: Tony Hsieh bankrolled his followers, who enabled his risky lifestyle

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I didn't know about this. I can't open the link, but I read https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/26/technology/tony-hsieh-dea... and the whole thing seems classic untreated bipolar disorder. I wonder how much of SV shenanigans can be attributed to manic breakdowns. There was already a "hypomanic advantage" meme going around a while ago; and, of course, thinking you can slightly toe the line towards a controled flirt with…

I've been in tech in the Bay Area for 15 years, mostly in startups, and I can say that untreated mental health issues (myself included for many years) are a very real thing.

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> Ms. Baleson helped spearhead plans for a wellness center at the Ranch, hoping to pull Mr. Hsieh out of his spiral. The plans were canceled in September after a disagreement in the group over who should get a commission for the project.

Sheesh... this really sums it up. Tragic.

Re: Tony Hsieh bankrolled his followers, who enabled his risky lifestyle

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I didn't know about this. I can't open the link, but I read https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/26/technology/tony-hsieh-dea... and the whole thing seems classic untreated bipolar disorder. I wonder how much of SV shenanigans can be attributed to manic breakdowns. There was already a "hypomanic advantage" meme going around a while ago; and, of course, thinking you can slightly toe the line towards a controled flirt with…

I wonder if this will be the new frontier of bio-hacking: attempting to replicate the symptoms of mania to get a "performance advantage".

Re: Tony Hsieh bankrolled his followers, who enabled his risky lifestyle

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post #11

"Among the many friends the entrepreneur made over his life, some said the cause of his death had spanned many months, in plain sight to those who surrounded him. Last summer, his Park City companions hired an on-call doctor. Unless Mr. Hsieh moderated his drug and alcohol use, the doctor said, he would die within six months." It's one thing to overly indulge a billionaire friend, it's another to endanger his physica…

You cannot forcibly make someone go to rehab. People are quick to blame his 'friends', but it appears that they hired a personal doctor, who gave doctorly advice. What more could they do?

Re: Tony Hsieh bankrolled his followers, who enabled his risky lifestyle

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The excerpts from Jewel's letter to Tony are heartbreaking. It seems that she saw where he was headed, the situation he had put himself in, and what was likely to happen as a result.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/angelauyeung/2020/12/04/tony-hs...

Re: Tony Hsieh bankrolled his followers, who enabled his risky lifestyle

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post #14

I didn't know about this. I can't open the link, but I read https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/26/technology/tony-hsieh-dea... and the whole thing seems classic untreated bipolar disorder. I wonder how much of SV shenanigans can be attributed to manic breakdowns. There was already a "hypomanic advantage" meme going around a while ago; and, of course, thinking you can slightly toe the line towards a controled flirt with…

I wonder if this will be the new frontier of bio-hacking: attempting to replicate the symptoms of mania to get a "performance advantage".

This is one reason some people use some kinds of drugs (particularly uppers of various sorts). They create a temporary manic or hypomanic state, even if that's not the term the users would choose to describe the produced state. Of course, it doesn't always lead to positive or even neutral outcomes especially as many are habit forming and the user can develop a tolerance to it (necessitating more of the drug in order to achieve a comparable effect as before, which exacerbates issues stemming from the side effects and high-dose/long-term use).

Look at college students and knowledge workers using various ADD/ADHD medications, as an example.

Re: Tony Hsieh bankrolled his followers, who enabled his risky lifestyle

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US-centric views of love have evolved more towards ‘if it feels right, do it’ It feels odd to tell anyone ‘no’ because people think you are judging them, so most just stay quiet. In a different culture, Tony may have survived if people felt comfortable questioning dangerous behavior.

There’s a Russian saying, “Your friends are the ones who can tell you ‘no.’”

There's an American joke that "Your friend is the one who comes to bail you out of jail. Your best friend is the one next to you in the cell going, "Duuuude, that was AWESOME!!!!"

It's a joke, but the humor exists because it illustrates the idea that the people really like their enablers. Not everybody would find the joke funny, though I have no idea if Americans in general find it funnier than people from other cultures.

Re: Tony Hsieh bankrolled his followers, who enabled his risky lifestyle

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Within minutes of his death breaking the news, someone in the comment posted on HN about this enablement. I had skepticism but it also felt way too specific and out of nowhere for me to think they were lying. It was heartbreaking to eventually realize it was indeed the truth.

Re: Tony Hsieh bankrolled his followers, who enabled his risky lifestyle

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"Among the many friends the entrepreneur made over his life, some said the cause of his death had spanned many months, in plain sight to those who surrounded him. Last summer, his Park City companions hired an on-call doctor. Unless Mr. Hsieh moderated his drug and alcohol use, the doctor said, he would die within six months." It's one thing to overly indulge a billionaire friend, it's another to endanger his physica…

You cannot forcibly make someone go to rehab. People are quick to blame his 'friends', but it appears that they hired a personal doctor, who gave doctorly advice. What more could they do?

In geriatric medicine, there is a somewhat defined, albeit difficult, process of declaring someone medically incompetent to manage their own affairs; they usually are committed to specialized (memory care) facilities. In some cases, the symptoms and rationale are clearly obvious. In others...these patients can be vulnerable to less scrupulous individuals.

For a wealthy high functioning billionaire, but one who is arguably affected by dopamine dysregulation that compromises his faculties, I'd imagine it's a trickier path to walk...

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