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Re: Want a Vaccine? Elect a Nationalist

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Post by maxerickson »

colpabar wrote: post #5
mikece wrote: post #2

Hardly surprising. Say what you will about the person elected to the office of POTUS but if their dominant attitude is "America First" then it shouldn't be a surprise if policies -- and the result of policies -- actually put America first or at the head of the line. I'm curious how Israel out-did us though. I have to imagine their massive brain trust of medical and biotech has something to do with it.

>I'm curious how Israel out-did us though. They paid more. https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-will-reportedly-pay-mor...

That's presumably for EU production of the vaccine.

So Israel probably didn't really compete with the US for it.

Re: Want a Vaccine? Elect a Nationalist

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Post by bfgoodrich »

colpabar wrote: post #5
mikece wrote: post #2

Hardly surprising. Say what you will about the person elected to the office of POTUS but if their dominant attitude is "America First" then it shouldn't be a surprise if policies -- and the result of policies -- actually put America first or at the head of the line. I'm curious how Israel out-did us though. I have to imagine their massive brain trust of medical and biotech has something to do with it.

>I'm curious how Israel out-did us though. They paid more. https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-will-reportedly-pay-mor...

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Re: Want a Vaccine? Elect a Nationalist

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Post by maxerickson »

The US is a wealthy country that is directly producing an awful lot of vaccines, we'd likely be vaccinating a lot more people with Moderna than any other country even if there were not national control of the distribution.

In the medium term, vaccinating US people first and fast is a great way to sell them on building lots of production capacity.

Re: Want a Vaccine? Elect a Nationalist

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Post by jessfyi »

low_tech_love wrote: post #7

I’m pretty sure the author is right that, in some kind of game-theoretical way, the ”artificial boundaries” and a healthy nationalist attitude is for sure beneficial. The problem is that I think social media turned us all into extremists. You can’t say the word ”nationalist” without being labeled a nazi, because the person labeling you a nazi is getting points with his/her crowd. On the other hand, you can’t say ”let…

I mean the substack author is far from someone who ejects nuance into any topic, they have a very clear right-wing bias (some of which I'd clearly note as actually extremist) by looking at their other articles. Some if I named or posted here I'd clearly be banned.

Not sure why you think this flimsy evidence holds when the author's actual intent is "nationalism is good actually." Vaccine distribution/contracting is significantly more complicated that this binary analysis.

Re: Want a Vaccine? Elect a Nationalist

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Post by nvoid »

wideareanetwork wrote: post #9

This glosses over the fact that it’s Biden who has actually executed on a vaccination plan. And he doesn’t fit with the articles overall premise. And Trump is the opposite of what this article is asserting - he’s me first conservative but he didn’t have any plan at all for vaccination, according to news reports.

I am pretty sure this has already been proven wrong. Please give credit where credit is due. If it weren't for operation Warp Speed [1] and the millions of doses bought under the Trump administration, Biden wouldn't have anything to take the credit for [2]. CNN neglected to credit the Trump administration for this. Yes, his (Trump's) handling of the crisis was awful but it doesn't help to lie.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Warp_Speed [2] https://nypost.com/2020/12/16/biden-should-credit-trump-on-c...

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Re: Want a Vaccine? Elect a Nationalist

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Post by colpabar »

maxerickson wrote: post #11
colpabar wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I'm curious how Israel out-did us though. They paid more. https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-will-reportedly-pay-mor...

That's presumably for EU production of the vaccine. So Israel probably didn't really compete with the US for it.

first paragraph:

>Israel will pay a premium price for the millions of COVID-19 vaccines it has ordered from US-based pharmaceutical company Pfizer, over 40 percent more than the US government or the European Union, Channel 13 news reported Sunday.

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