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Re: Berkson's Paradox

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From the wikipedia page it seems to be a generalization on sampling below the Nyquist frequency can lead to incorrect interpretation of wave forms but in more dimensions.

I don't understand why a good book/good movie are even included here.

Two different media for (occasionally) related work.

Calling whatever inverse relation was somehow crafted a "paradox" seems tendentious.

Re: Berkson's Paradox

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Am I the only one who dislikes this form of presentation, i.e. as a series of tweets?

You're not alone. I think it caught on because a long article (even with pictures) might seem like too much of an investment to a lot of people but a self-contained tweet that keeps getting extended is less intimidating.

TBH, I'd say it's less that I dislike this form of presentation than that I hate all the anti-pattern bloat that Twitter adds, like clickable items not being detectable by extensions and previews being cut off.

Re: Berkson's Paradox

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you. Does anyone understand the difference between this and Simpson's paradox?

The latter appears when analyzing subgroups gives a different result than analyzing the pooled data. The former is about correlations that appear in samples which are not representative of the general population, due to the way that those samples are selected.

> The latter appears when analyzing subgroups gives a different result than analyzing the pooled data.

> The former is about correlations that appear in samples which are not representative of the general population, due to the way that those samples are selected.

You just said the same thing twice. Think about it.

For one you used terms like "subgroups" and "pooled data" and for the other "samples" and "general population". Those are the same things.

Then you used "[the effect] appears in" and in the other "correlations". Well, Simpsons paradox can also manifest itself in correlations. So you just said the same thing twice.

Re: Berkson's Paradox

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The latter appears when analyzing subgroups gives a different result than analyzing the pooled data. The former is about correlations that appear in samples which are not representative of the general population, due to the way that those samples are selected.

> The latter appears when analyzing subgroups gives a different result than analyzing the pooled data. > The former is about correlations that appear in samples which are not representative of the general population, due to the way that those samples are selected. You just said the same thing twice. Think about it. For one you used terms like "subgroups" and "pooled data" and for the other "samples" and "general popu…

Eh. There is intentional splitting into subgroups, and there is accidental selection bias. I think that's the difference.

Re: Berkson's Paradox

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Am I the only one who dislikes this form of presentation, i.e. as a series of tweets?

I always go to threadreaderapp.

In this case it's https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1373266475230789633.html

Edit to add: In this case I'd recommend wikipedia, the thread is quite short and light on details

Re: Berkson's Paradox

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Am I the only one who dislikes this form of presentation, i.e. as a series of tweets?

Of the tweets I bother to read, I’ve found that the more interesting the tweet, the more likely it is to be poorly formatted.

/meta

Re: Berkson's Paradox

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The argument here is that "smart people are worse looking" is actually a case of _of the people you encounter_ smart people are worse looking, but that overall there is no correlation. This makes sense, but I think it's more complex. If you took the entire population, I think you could still conclude the "smart people are worse looking" if you define smart to include non-innate, learned behaviour, for the simple reason that good looking people have an easier time in life (getting jobs and so forth) and are therefore less compelled to spend time and effort becoming "smart". So there's a self-balancing aspect that produces these correlations in the general population as well.

Re: Berkson's Paradox

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Am I the only one who dislikes this form of presentation, i.e. as a series of tweets?

The series of tweets for me just wasn't illuminating and I didn't get what the actual 'paradox' was given the graphs. But my issue was more that the graphs weren't clear in pointing out what I should be looking at. Wikipedia was much clearer for me, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkson's_paradox , but ymmv of course. Another good statistical foible to be aware of along with Simpson's.

Having selected for interesting content: quality of presentation is inversely correlated to length of a tweet thread?
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