Aren't gamers benefitting from better GPUs? Sure right now the supply is not enough for everyone but at some point the high upfront investments will make it harder and harder to manufacture high end GPUs. Who is going to pay for 7nm,5nm and 3nm GPUs? PC gaming is already quite the niche. NVidia makes more money off of data center cards.
AMD refuses to limit cryptocurrency mining: We will not be blocking any workload
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Re: AMD refuses to limit cryptocurrency mining: We will not be blocking any workload
#12Wait, so there are people who are expecting hardware manufacturers to dictate to users what their products can or cannot be used for? Is this the war on general purpose computing I've been hearing about?
Nvidia already dictates what their consumer products can be used for, and legally restricts you from doing business-like activities without moving up to the enterprise cards
Re: AMD refuses to limit cryptocurrency mining: We will not be blocking any workload
#13Earlier quoted context omitted.
I assume you mean "aren't". The reason this happens is because AMD/Nvidia can't sell for $X to person A and $X*10 to person B depending on how much they want something (there are some caveats here, such as being able to price discriminate consumers and enterprises, but some distinction must exist within the product for that). As such, if they price all their items at $X*10, they run the risk of not being able to sell…
Sure, I edited it probably after you started a reply. But what about retailers, like say Best Buy. If they know people are just reselling an item for $1000, why not just price it at that? Do they have contracts preventing that, or would it just be bad PR?
Newegg already upcharges significantly past MSRP (they scalped the shit out of RX580's back during the RX580 days a few years back), and _forces you to purchase items with incompatible, unreturable bundles_. Like imagine being forced to buy a last-gen Intel mobo to be allowed to purchase a Ryzen. No refunds, no returns, no exchanges.
Re: AMD refuses to limit cryptocurrency mining: We will not be blocking any workload
#14Wait, so there are people who are expecting hardware manufacturers to dictate to users what their products can or cannot be used for? Is this the war on general purpose computing I've been hearing about?
Nvidia already dictates what their consumer products can be used for, and legally restricts you from doing business-like activities without moving up to the enterprise cards
This is the first I've ever heard of this, wow. I have an nvidia card and certainly do "business-like activities" with it, not at any particular scale but for my own income and whatnot. Is this something I should be considering moving to AMD over?
Re: AMD refuses to limit cryptocurrency mining: We will not be blocking any workload
#15If only there was a way to don't sell to miners, botters, scalpers... just to regular people who want to play videogames
Re: AMD refuses to limit cryptocurrency mining: We will not be blocking any workload
#16Given how well Nvidia’s attempt worked (https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/03/nvidia-accidenta...), I’m glad they didn’t try. It’s an exercise in futility.
Re: AMD refuses to limit cryptocurrency mining: We will not be blocking any workload
#17Aren't gamers benefitting from better GPUs? Sure right now the supply is not enough for everyone but at some point the high upfront investments will make it harder and harder to manufacture high end GPUs. Who is going to pay for 7nm,5nm and 3nm GPUs? PC gaming is already quite the niche. NVidia makes more money off of data center cards.
People also realise you don't need a GPU to play the game of your own life, so people chase real life points rather than flipping bits with their imagination.
Re: AMD refuses to limit cryptocurrency mining: We will not be blocking any workload
#18This would mean a lot more if ROCM worked on these cards. These cards are capable of a lot but the software stack (OpenCL) leaves a lot to be desired. I don’t know what AMD is doing, to be honest. You would think that they’d want to get this all working ASAP so that they can serve as an alternative to nvidia for ML and gpgpu. I guess there’s so much demand for Nvidia between ML and cryptocurrency and gaming that AMD…
I'd like to see them trying to beat M1 rather than chase the GPU game. Apart from gaming these GPUs have little use in day to day computing. Maybe you encode a video once in a while, but it does not make huge difference whether it will encode in 10 or 5 minutes.
Re: AMD refuses to limit cryptocurrency mining: We will not be blocking any workload
#19Wait, so there are people who are expecting hardware manufacturers to dictate to users what their products can or cannot be used for? Is this the war on general purpose computing I've been hearing about?
It's been a pretty standard procedure for chip companies to sell CPUs locked from doing specific tasks, whether that's binning, burning fuses to disable functionality etc. It's much cheaper to make 1 design that does everything and segment your market using arbitrary restrictions than to design lots of chips. It's only the totally bone-headed way Nvidia decided to target this that is new.
Re: AMD refuses to limit cryptocurrency mining: We will not be blocking any workload
#20This would mean a lot more if ROCM worked on these cards. These cards are capable of a lot but the software stack (OpenCL) leaves a lot to be desired. I don’t know what AMD is doing, to be honest. You would think that they’d want to get this all working ASAP so that they can serve as an alternative to nvidia for ML and gpgpu. I guess there’s so much demand for Nvidia between ML and cryptocurrency and gaming that AMD…
I'd like to see them trying to beat M1 rather than chase the GPU game. Apart from gaming these GPUs have little use in day to day computing. Maybe you encode a video once in a while, but it does not make huge difference whether it will encode in 10 or 5 minutes.
lol, this is such a vacuous comment.
"device made specifically for gaming is not useful for people uninterested in gaming"