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Re: Apple offers 2,400 icons for free

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Post by CharlesW » Tue, Mar 16, 2021, 11:51 PM UTC

CharlesW wrote: post #6

What rights do developers have to use these on anything other than Apple products? https://developer.apple.com/design/human-interface-guideline... > All SF Symbols shall be considered to be system-provided images as defined in the Xcode and Apple SDKs license agreements and are subject to the terms and conditions set forth therein. You may not use SF Symbols — or glyphs that are substantially or confusingly similar —…

After a bit more research I'm going to say "none", since developers can't use the San Francisco font outside of iOS apps for anything but prototyping.

Re: Apple offers 2,400 icons for free

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Post by nobleach » Tue, Mar 16, 2021, 11:52 PM UTC

sorenjan wrote: post #8

Not exactly free. IMPORTANT All SF Symbols shall be considered to be system-provided images as defined in the Xcode and Apple SDKs license agreements and are subject to the terms and conditions set forth therein. You may not use SF Symbols — or glyphs that are substantially or confusingly similar — in your app icons, logos, or any other trademark-related use. Apple reserves the right to review and, in its sole discre…

>or glyphs that are substantially or confusingly similar

In the image on the linked page, they use glyphs that are so common, some might consider them "standard". It's reprehensible that Apply might try and consider the "undo arrow" their own intellectual property. As a matter of fact, I don't see a single icon in that screenshot that I'd consider belonging to Apple. Those are all pretty much Font Awesome/IcoMoon staples.

Re: Apple offers 2,400 icons for free

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Post by richardwhiuk » Tue, Mar 16, 2021, 11:54 PM UTC

Can we rename this? The title isn't at all accurate. This is just a system font on iOS and Mac OS?

Re: Apple offers 2,400 icons for free

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Post by mmastrac » Tue, Mar 16, 2021, 11:54 PM UTC

I'd suggest changing the title from "for free" to "for iOS apps".

Re: Apple offers 2,400 icons for free

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Post by tptacek » Tue, Mar 16, 2021, 11:55 PM UTC

nobleach wrote: post #12

sorenjan wrote: post #8

Not exactly free. IMPORTANT All SF Symbols shall be considered to be system-provided images as defined in the Xcode and Apple SDKs license agreements and are subject to the terms and conditions set forth therein. You may not use SF Symbols — or glyphs that are substantially or confusingly similar — in your app icons, logos, or any other trademark-related use. Apple reserves the right to review and, in its sole discre…

>or glyphs that are substantially or confusingly similar In the image on the linked page, they use glyphs that are so common, some might consider them "standard". It's reprehensible that Apply might try and consider the "undo arrow" their own intellectual property. As a matter of fact, I don't see a single icon in that screenshot that I'd consider belonging to Apple. Those are all pretty much Font Awesome/IcoMoon sta…

You can probably assume they do not in fact consider "the undo arrow" to be Apple intellectual property.

Re: Apple offers 2,400 icons for free

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Post by david_allison » Tue, Mar 16, 2021, 11:55 PM UTC

> All SF Symbols shall be considered to be system-provided images as defined in the Xcode and Apple SDKs license agreements and are subject to the terms and conditions set forth therein.

https://developer.apple.com/sf-symbols/

> The system-provided images and symbols owned by Apple and documented as such in Apple's Human Interface Guidelines for iOS, watchOS, iPadOS, tvOS, and/or macOS (“System-Provided Images”) are licensed to You solely for the purpose of developing Applications for Apple-branded products that run on the system for which the image was provided. You agree that you shall not use or incorporate the System-Provided Images or any substantially or confusingly similar images into app icons, logos or make any other trademark use of the System-Provided Images. Your use of the System-Provided Images shall also be subject to any specific use restrictions with respect thereto as set forth in the Apple Software or Apple’s Human Interface Guidelines. Apple reserves the right to review and, in its sole discretion, require modification or discontinuance of use of any System-Provided images used in violation of the foregoing restrictions, and you agree to promptly comply with any such request. Upon termination of this Agreement, You may continue to distribute the System-Provided Images as used within Applications You developed using the Apple Software.

https://www.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/xcode.pdf

Re: Apple offers 2,400 icons for free

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Post by oneplane » Tue, Mar 16, 2021, 11:56 PM UTC

nobleach wrote: post #12

sorenjan wrote: post #8

Not exactly free. IMPORTANT All SF Symbols shall be considered to be system-provided images as defined in the Xcode and Apple SDKs license agreements and are subject to the terms and conditions set forth therein. You may not use SF Symbols — or glyphs that are substantially or confusingly similar — in your app icons, logos, or any other trademark-related use. Apple reserves the right to review and, in its sole discre…

>or glyphs that are substantially or confusingly similar In the image on the linked page, they use glyphs that are so common, some might consider them "standard". It's reprehensible that Apply might try and consider the "undo arrow" their own intellectual property. As a matter of fact, I don't see a single icon in that screenshot that I'd consider belonging to Apple. Those are all pretty much Font Awesome/IcoMoon sta…

Keep in mind that the legalese is intended for legal people to word-fight each other for lots of money. It generally turns this type of text in to vague yet usable terminology so you can defend or attack at will.

Re: Apple offers 2,400 icons for free

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Post by oneplane » Wed, Mar 17, 2021, 12:00 AM UTC

mmastrac wrote: post #14

I'd suggest changing the title from "for free" to "for iOS apps".

While that would be partially correct, 'for free' usually depends on some context. One could argue that sunlight is 'for free' but only in the context of a human understanding the concept of free vs. non-free, and you'd need to be living and thinking to be able to understand that, and living takes an effort, so nothing would really be 'free' ;-)

On the other hand, a more correct title could be: free for development for the Apple Platforms.

Re: Apple offers 2,400 icons for free

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Post by oneplane » Wed, Mar 17, 2021, 12:02 AM UTC

Nice. It's free in the sense that for your Apple-apps on Apple-platforms you no longer need a commercial icon set with a license etc. On top of that, it's known to work well, integrates with the UX, and because there is a good chance other applications in the same ecosystem use similar icons it'll be easier for the users to recognise them.

Re: Apple offers 2,400 icons for free

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Post by nobleach » Wed, Mar 17, 2021, 12:04 AM UTC

oneplane wrote: post #17

nobleach wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>or glyphs that are substantially or confusingly similar In the image on the linked page, they use glyphs that are so common, some might consider them "standard". It's reprehensible that Apply might try and consider the "undo arrow" their own intellectual property. As a matter of fact, I don't see a single icon in that screenshot that I'd consider belonging to Apple. Those are all pretty much Font Awesome/IcoMoon sta…

Keep in mind that the legalese is intended for legal people to word-fight each other for lots of money. It generally turns this type of text in to vague yet usable terminology so you can defend or attack at will.

I'm certain that's the case. It is rather frustrating to see them even lay claim to such generic iconographs. But, if Disney can take public domain stories and lock them up for 100 years... who knows?