I worked on an old Honda Odyssey that I bought used from a friend for $100. It took at least $2000 in parts but I could find all the parts on RockAuto.com (The site is ugly but functional). Just like cars, in the long-run, I think bringing products to market which are repairable will help create trust between manufacturer and end-user. In fact, the resale value of an older item depends on the affordability of the repair.
Right to Repair Gaining Momentum
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#12I definitely think it's a good idea. The other week my girlfriend's Western Digital external drive stopped working, I wanted to open it to figure out if it was the drive itself or the sata-to-USB logic. Took me 20 minutes to open the case, and I damaged it significantly in the process. Turns out that it was only the USB adapter that was out of order, I bought a cheap-o USB 3 case and now it works again. Yesterday I w…
In my opinion, I think the best way to implement this is something like the repairability labels, like how it's done in the EU. Not sure how to pick who gets to decide what goes on the labels, however.
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#13I don't want a bulky, heavy, non waterproof, and less reliable smartphone (due to more moveable parts) just to have a easily replaceable battery.
Waterproof phones can have replaceable parts. IIRC the "rugged" type phones on the market tend to use gaskets.
The rugged phones are also significantly larger and more expensive.
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#14I worked on an old Honda Odyssey that I bought used from a friend for $100. It took at least $2000 in parts but I could find all the parts on RockAuto.com (The site is ugly but functional). Just like cars, in the long-run, I think bringing products to market which are repairable will help create trust between manufacturer and end-user. In fact, the resale value of an older item depends on the affordability of the rep…
Unfortunately, Tesla is starting to build their battery packs in-frame so it'll become harder to repair. https://electrek.co/2021/01/19/tesla-structural-battery-pack...
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#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
Right to repair is not about making devices more repairable but about enabling us to buy parts and service from third parties outside the manufacturers. Apple has begun serializing parts. You cannot take a camera from one iPhone 12 and put it into another iPhone 12 because Apple serialized the camera to the phone it shipped with. They are beyond reasonable with this kind of hostile approach to repair.
I think Apple is justifiably terrified of a 3rd party battery, installed by someone with 5 minutes of training, causing a fire and making headlines.
Okay, then why is the camera serialized and not the battery (which, incidentally, you CAN replace on the iPhone 12)?
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#16I definitely think it's a good idea. The other week my girlfriend's Western Digital external drive stopped working, I wanted to open it to figure out if it was the drive itself or the sata-to-USB logic. Took me 20 minutes to open the case, and I damaged it significantly in the process. Turns out that it was only the USB adapter that was out of order, I bought a cheap-o USB 3 case and now it works again. Yesterday I w…
> Yesterday I wanted to fix the light on a USB wallsocket I have, I gave up because after 10 minutes I couldn't figure out how to even open the thing up. I tried squeezing it, tapping it in various parts, prying at various seams, nothing would give.
Did you try looking up the manual? Even if the steps for removing it aren't documented, you can often walk the installation steps in reverse order.
Visible serial + some documentation would help a great deal.
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#17Let’s hope so. As an old farm boy and a do-it-yourselfer that grew up in the farm shop fixing equipment, few things get my blood boiling as much as the current machinery software lock-downs.
It's a brave new world. Fortunately, we have Russian hackers by our side generously sharing their code to bypass DRM in farm equipment.
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#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
Right to repair is not about making devices more repairable but about enabling us to buy parts and service from third parties outside the manufacturers. Apple has begun serializing parts. You cannot take a camera from one iPhone 12 and put it into another iPhone 12 because Apple serialized the camera to the phone it shipped with. They are beyond reasonable with this kind of hostile approach to repair.
I think Apple is justifiably terrified of a 3rd party battery, installed by someone with 5 minutes of training, causing a fire and making headlines.
How is a 3rd party battery related to replacing an apple iphone camera with an apple iphone camera?
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#19I don't want a bulky, heavy, non waterproof, and less reliable smartphone (due to more moveable parts) just to have a easily replaceable battery.
It's not about changing the phone, it's about making the OEM tools, parts and service information available to independent shops so they can repair a waterproof phone the same way someone at the manufacturer does the same repair. I suppose if an individual wants to buy an expensive tool to do a single repair that would be available to the individual too, but that's not typically what I would expect when we're talking…
There's a good argument to be made around helping local economies with this as well. Part of auto's impact during the 20th century was creating all these small businesses of car dealers, auto repair shops, oil change stations, gas station attendants, etc. The products of the 21st century largely don't enable any of that, the money just all goes to Apple and Samsung. And like, I don't immediately think to call up a local electronics repair specialist, I go to the Apple Store. And more likely than not I usually replace my phone before considering heavy repairs since its usually a couple years old at that point anyway.
Re: Right to Repair Gaining Momentum
#20I definitely think it's a good idea. The other week my girlfriend's Western Digital external drive stopped working, I wanted to open it to figure out if it was the drive itself or the sata-to-USB logic. Took me 20 minutes to open the case, and I damaged it significantly in the process. Turns out that it was only the USB adapter that was out of order, I bought a cheap-o USB 3 case and now it works again. Yesterday I w…
Classic WD. So you dodged a bullet. I had WD drive that USB board failed and that board contained encryption key. So I lost data even if I could install the board from other drive. And they had a nerve to advertise this as a feature pro consumer!
(It encrypted the data even if you didn't turn encryption on)