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Re: Wayland in 2021

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Post by Iolaum »

colordrops wrote: post #5

Is it still the case that Nvidia drivers don't work with Wayland?

Not exactly. I m successfully using Fedora SilverBlue with proprietary nvidia in Wayland. In the official docs it's not supported but Mutter (from Gnome) has the pieces in place to do so. However I don't use anything too specialised that would force me back to Xorg. For example I did revert to Xorg while I played around with lutris a bit. Still as long as distro maintainers don't declare official support, be ready to expect surprises.

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#12

Post by freeone3000 »

shmerl wrote: post #7
colordrops wrote: post #5

Is it still the case that Nvidia drivers don't work with Wayland?

I don't expect them to ever work properly. Basically, if you care about good Wayland user experience and proper desktop integration, you should be using AMD or Intel GPU already. Waiting for Nvidia to fix this mess is pointless. Nvidia will be DOA as long as they refuse to upstream their driver or to support Nouveau to begin with. And they didn't show any interest for years.

There's not a lot of options in the workstation space other than NV drivers on X11. As long as nouveau continues sending illegal instructions to cards and crashing Quadros on startup, it's a non-starter. Xeons don't include a GPU, so you'll need to add an RX 2100 to the system instead of another A100 or RTX Titan. It can be done, but I don't see RX 2100s having a place in our machines anytime soon.

Re: Wayland in 2021

#13

Post by qudat »

belak wrote: post #6
colordrops wrote: post #5

Is it still the case that Nvidia drivers don't work with Wayland?

The short version is "it depends". Essentially, each separate Wayland compositor needs to add support for the nvidia driver (or the driver needs to support more standardized APIs). Gnome and KDE support Wayland on nvidia hardware (though it's a bit rough around the edges). Wlroots (and therefore Sway) doesn't because they don't want to have a separate code-path for one driver which doesn't want to support standards a…

Nvidia works with wlroots if you use nouveau and not the proprietary drivers.

Re: Wayland in 2021

#14

Post by shmerl »

freeone3000 wrote: post #12
shmerl wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't expect them to ever work properly. Basically, if you care about good Wayland user experience and proper desktop integration, you should be using AMD or Intel GPU already. Waiting for Nvidia to fix this mess is pointless. Nvidia will be DOA as long as they refuse to upstream their driver or to support Nouveau to begin with. And they didn't show any interest for years.

There's not a lot of options in the workstation space other than NV drivers on X11. As long as nouveau continues sending illegal instructions to cards and crashing Quadros on startup, it's a non-starter. Xeons don't include a GPU, so you'll need to add an RX 2100 to the system instead of another A100 or RTX Titan. It can be done, but I don't see RX 2100s having a place in our machines anytime soon.

The best option if you need modern Linux desktop is to ditch Nvidia and to switch to AMD.

Re: Wayland in 2021

#16

Post by chousuke »

k_sze wrote: post #10

Does ibus work seamlessly in Wayland yet? As a person who regularly needs to input French, Chinese, and Japanese, besides English, I tried Wayland in Kubuntu 20.04 and a non-working ibus was a complete showstopper for me.

ibus works with Gnome out-of-the-box. On sway/wlroots, you will have more luck with fcitx. I don't know which tool works best with KDE.

Re: Wayland in 2021

#17

Post by freeone3000 »

shmerl wrote: post #14
freeone3000 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's not a lot of options in the workstation space other than NV drivers on X11. As long as nouveau continues sending illegal instructions to cards and crashing Quadros on startup, it's a non-starter. Xeons don't include a GPU, so you'll need to add an RX 2100 to the system instead of another A100 or RTX Titan. It can be done, but I don't see RX 2100s having a place in our machines anytime soon.

The best option if you need modern Linux desktop is to ditch Nvidia and to switch to AMD.

For compute as well? Maybe once ROCm is actually supported by their newest cards, but this two-year lag on compute support does not inspire confidence. Neither Navi nor Big Navi are supported -- the last card with ROCm support is Vega.

Re: Wayland in 2021

#18

Post by 2ion »

shmerl wrote: post #7
colordrops wrote: post #5

Is it still the case that Nvidia drivers don't work with Wayland?

I don't expect them to ever work properly. Basically, if you care about good Wayland user experience and proper desktop integration, you should be using AMD or Intel GPU already. Waiting for Nvidia to fix this mess is pointless. Nvidia will be DOA as long as they refuse to upstream their driver or to support Nouveau to begin with. And they didn't show any interest for years.

For Nvidia this is not a mess; they support X for their supported use-cases and that's just it, and X works pretty much perfectly for me now, even PRIME is essentially issue-less. I give them a lot of credit for making Nvidia GPUs in laptops on Linux as viable as on Windows.

Re: Wayland in 2021

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Post by shmerl »

freeone3000 wrote: post #17
shmerl wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The best option if you need modern Linux desktop is to ditch Nvidia and to switch to AMD.

For compute as well? Maybe once ROCm is actually supported by their newest cards, but this two-year lag on compute support does not inspire confidence. Neither Navi nor Big Navi are supported -- the last card with ROCm support is Vega .

Support is better in latest cards, but they are still lagging behind for scenarios like Blender and etc.

Re: Wayland in 2021

#20

Post by shmerl »

2ion wrote: post #18
shmerl wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't expect them to ever work properly. Basically, if you care about good Wayland user experience and proper desktop integration, you should be using AMD or Intel GPU already. Waiting for Nvidia to fix this mess is pointless. Nvidia will be DOA as long as they refuse to upstream their driver or to support Nouveau to begin with. And they didn't show any interest for years.

For Nvidia this is not a mess; they support X for their supported use-cases and that's just it, and X works pretty much perfectly for me now, even PRIME is essentially issue-less. I give them a lot of credit for making Nvidia GPUs in laptops on Linux as viable as on Windows.

It is a complete mess due to their inability to properly support kernel interfaces. Their driver is a blob and it's the source of all their problems with integration. Nothing stopped them from upstreaming it a long time ago but they prefer keeping the mess to doing things right.

PRIME doesn't work because they only implemented it half way. After decades of not implementing anything that is. I call such level of support complete garbage.

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