Deplatforming it helps prevent it from normalizing in the community.
You can't censor away extremism or any other problem
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Re: You can't censor away extremism or any other problem
#12> Look: the most powerful governments, militaries, and intelligence services in the world have in recent decades tried to prevent the communications of terrorist groups such as Al-Qaeda and ISIS, using the most sophisticated digital means possible and with the full backing of various publishing and social media platforms. And yet those organizations effortlessly shared their propaganda and their rhetoric and coordina…
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Re: You can't censor away extremism or any other problem
#13If you cannot censor away opinions, if suppression of ideas doesn't work then why in exactly these kinds of articles do people bemoan it as dangerous?
I may agree that most censorship is wrong but it does work. It worked for centuries to help maintain systems of inequality.
It worked for centuries to maintain familial control and enforce sexual monoculture in many countries. Information control works so well, it prevents people from even understanding themselves or what they really want in the face of ideologically imposed values.
We are steeped in a culture of Hollywood telling us what the lessons of history are about. One of the off repeated "hopeful" messages we are fed is that you can't kill an idea but my reading of history has led me to the other conclusion entirely. That controlling the conversation, its constraints and determining the status quo are profoundly powerful tools.
Re: You can't censor away extremism or any other problem
#14Eliminate? No.
Reduce to the point of practical irrelevance? Yep.
Deplatforming works.
Re: You can't censor away extremism or any other problem
#15I never understood the point of Strafgesetzbuch section 86a. It does not make any sense to outlaw using Nazi symbols. It's like outlawing symptoms instead of caring for the illness. People will just take it underground and you will have a harder time tracking it down.
Being underground makes it hard for those wishing to spread it to spread it.
Re: You can't censor away extremism or any other problem
#16Like most of these rants against "censorship" they skip over people's rights to restrict speech as a form of speech itself: there is no moral (or legal) right to give people you disagree with a forum or audience to express their view. Calling to silence others (that is, encouraging them to take your view of not giving them an audience) is fine as long as people have a choice on how to respond. If there is some notion…
> Calling to silence others (that is, encouraging them to take your view of not giving them an audience) is fine as long as people have a choice on how to respond.
This succinctly expresses a feeling of mine I hadn't been able to put into words so beautifully. Thank you!
Re: You can't censor away extremism or any other problem
#17My reading from the outside is, the left needs to realize (I'm sure it applies to the right equally as well) that scolding people into guilt is not a viable approach to affect action or to change perceptions when you're dealing with adults.
Neither does boxing people into this, that and that category do any good. Like if all you want to do is dehumanize those guys so you can happily insult / hurt them without hurting your conscience, go ahead, that's choice.. you have different goals.. but remember that instinct that wants you to scream at this-this-this type of person is a confrontational approach that deep down falls in the pattern of, eliminating the other tribe.. if you choose to do something about it and what you do is your responsibility and problem.
I just think the solution should lie in : 1) dialog 2) laws
I think beyond those 2 lie some really wrong answers..
Re: You can't censor away extremism or any other problem
#18Like most of these rants against "censorship" they skip over people's rights to restrict speech as a form of speech itself: there is no moral (or legal) right to give people you disagree with a forum or audience to express their view. Calling to silence others (that is, encouraging them to take your view of not giving them an audience) is fine as long as people have a choice on how to respond. If there is some notion…
The article made the distinction between empirical "can" you censor and normative "should". His point is that censorship or cancelling isn't effective.
Re: You can't censor away extremism or any other problem
#19Like most of these rants against "censorship" they skip over people's rights to restrict speech as a form of speech itself: there is no moral (or legal) right to give people you disagree with a forum or audience to express their view. Calling to silence others (that is, encouraging them to take your view of not giving them an audience) is fine as long as people have a choice on how to respond. If there is some notion…
Watching the score on this post go up and down so much is fascinating.
But a warning to those who downvote: It's a trap! By doing so you're agreeing with me.
Re: You can't censor away extremism or any other problem
#20Like most of these rants against "censorship" they skip over people's rights to restrict speech as a form of speech itself: there is no moral (or legal) right to give people you disagree with a forum or audience to express their view. Calling to silence others (that is, encouraging them to take your view of not giving them an audience) is fine as long as people have a choice on how to respond. If there is some notion…
Choosing not to be part of an audience (and encouraging others not to be) is not the same as denying others from being part of one they wish to be part of.