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The Challenges of Integrating the Unix and Mac OS Environments (2000)

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Re: The Challenges of Integrating the Unix and Mac OS Environments (2000)

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Post by kergonath »

lordleft wrote: post #3

Does anyone else remember when MacOS marketing made UNIX a significant part of its sales pitch? I remember a giant, titanium UNIX logo

They also had adverts such as this one: http://www.brainmapping.org/MarkCohen/UNIXad.pdf [edit] also linked by mrpippy below.

There used to be things like this on Apple's website, too: https://www.apple.com/media/us/osx/2012/docs/OSX_for_UNIX_Us...

I can't find any mention of UNIX in Big Sur's pages, even though it is listed as certified on the Open Group's website.

Re: The Challenges of Integrating the Unix and Mac OS Environments (2000)

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Post by rvense »

donatj wrote: post #10
pwinnski wrote: post #2

I still remember being in awe that they pulled this off at all, clumsy as some of the compromises were. Newer filesystems and application designs have eliminated many of the differences, although I still miss resource forks.

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but macOS still has resource forks, right? My understanding is that's where file tags, file comments and custom file icons are stored.

Maybe, but Mac APIs don't use them, so you can't mod your games with ResEdit anymore.

NTFS also has multiple forks, and also has many of the same fancy attributes capabilities that made the BeOS filesystem (in)famous, but they're not used in the same way, so it's kind of moot.

What really what made BeOS and Mac OS good was not so much the technical underpinnings, but the way they exposed these in the APIs and standard applications.

The power of Unix isn't just from the presence of the standard I/O routines, but the fact that most programmes are written to adhere to a specific paradigm that allow them to work together.

Re: The Challenges of Integrating the Unix and Mac OS Environments (2000)

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Post by PascLeRasc »

kergonath wrote: post #11
lordleft wrote: post #3

Does anyone else remember when MacOS marketing made UNIX a significant part of its sales pitch? I remember a giant, titanium UNIX logo

They also had adverts such as this one: http://www.brainmapping.org/MarkCohen/UNIXad.pdf [edit] also linked by mrpippy below. There used to be things like this on Apple's website, too: https://www.apple.com/media/us/osx/2012/docs/OSX_for_UNIX_Us... I can't find any mention of UNIX in Big Sur's pages, even though it is listed as certified on the Open Group's website.

Those are so cool, thanks for sharing. Can’t believe they got celebrity endorsements like Mark Cohen back then.

Re: The Challenges of Integrating the Unix and Mac OS Environments (2000)

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Post by mattl »

bad_username wrote: post #13

> some of the user interface features pioneered by Mac OS such the desktop That is not true. The desktop metaphor, for example, was first introduced at Xerox PARC in 1970, and used commercially in the Xerox Star workstation in 1981.

That's not what pioneered means.

Re: The Challenges of Integrating the Unix and Mac OS Environments (2000)

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Post by jonjacky »

lordleft wrote: post #3

Does anyone else remember when MacOS marketing made UNIX a significant part of its sales pitch? I remember a giant, titanium UNIX logo

Yes, I do. I recall they had ads where they showed the amazing things you could do with one-line commands at the shell - they had examples of pipelines including grep and awk etc. I remember being amused that these familiar idioms that had been used in the Unix/Linux world for ages were being presented as amazing new capabilities.

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Post by m463 »

pwinnski wrote: post #2

I still remember being in awe that they pulled this off at all, clumsy as some of the compromises were. Newer filesystems and application designs have eliminated many of the differences, although I still miss resource forks.

I think resource forks suck.

That said, I think metadata about a file outside of the file has always been problematic. I don't know if there's ever been a clean solution to timestamps, r/w/x, ACLs and more.

Re: The Challenges of Integrating the Unix and Mac OS Environments (2000)

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Post by bluejekyll »

jonjacky wrote: post #17
lordleft wrote: post #3

Does anyone else remember when MacOS marketing made UNIX a significant part of its sales pitch? I remember a giant, titanium UNIX logo

Yes, I do. I recall they had ads where they showed the amazing things you could do with one-line commands at the shell - they had examples of pipelines including grep and awk etc. I remember being amused that these familiar idioms that had been used in the Unix/Linux world for ages were being presented as amazing new capabilities.

For Mac users, this was a new capability. Before that, I was always using remote X sessions to get onto shared Unix systems.
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