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Comparison of Postsurgical Scars Between Vegan and Omnivore Patients

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Re: Comparison of Postsurgical Scars Between Vegan and Omnivore Patients

#11

What's the point of having a better looking scar if you're more likely to get colon cancer? Also, given that study itself measured Iron and B12, supplementing Iron and B12 may help scar healing w/o the (red) meat eating downside.

> What's the point of having a better looking scar if you're more likely to get colon cancer?

I don't think it's worth going into the extremes with this. Omnivore doesn't mean a buttload of red meat.

Re: Comparison of Postsurgical Scars Between Vegan and Omnivore Patients

#12

What's the point of having a better looking scar if you're more likely to get colon cancer? Also, given that study itself measured Iron and B12, supplementing Iron and B12 may help scar healing w/o the (red) meat eating downside.

I'm curious here: I am under the impression, possibly due to outdated info, that the issue with red meat was specifically that cooking it at high temperatures creates carcinogens (this being why bacon is especially bad). Would it be possible to avoid carcinogens by slow cooking all red meat at lower temperatures?

Re: Comparison of Postsurgical Scars Between Vegan and Omnivore Patients

#13
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed that there are probably ways to remediate some of these effects. I definitely favor smaller less impactful scarring, but also, so what? Calling ths "unusually damning" seems like a significant overinflation of concern. For all we know, it may have far more significant pro-recovery characteristics associated with it. "Oh you built too much scar tissue? Your vegan diet also stitched your blood vessels back toget…

dang really needs to get YC to develop an AI that can automatically add /s to ironic comment.

I'd rather HN not allow such comments and we try to make debate here better than on the rest of the internet.

Re: Comparison of Postsurgical Scars Between Vegan and Omnivore Patients

#15
Not a surprise. Collagen is important for healing skin wounds, and vegans get none from their diet. (Collagen is just a protein, so it can be generated by the body, but it's easier for the body to simply take collagen from dietary sources.)

Re: Comparison of Postsurgical Scars Between Vegan and Omnivore Patients

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post #5

Related: the surgical scars of fasting mouse heal better (various publications report the same results) The same seems to apply in human, with various individual anecdotal report: https://www.quora.com/Did-long-term-water-fasting-improve-an...

I was told that loading up on carbs helped with recovery and I have a load of stuff downstairs in case i get called in.

Re: Comparison of Postsurgical Scars Between Vegan and Omnivore Patients

#17
Animal protein seems to be good for wellbeing, and there's a lot of overlap between veganism, wellness awareness, and alternative food choices.

Given that and the already-existing ability to create collagen/gelatin in a lab that's suitable for vegans, I've always wondered why nobody has managed to get it to market as a food.

There's already a growing group of wellness-focused people who don't want typical non-gelatin jelling ingredients like carrageenan and various gums in their foods; these provide only the jelling property and none of the nutrition of actual gelatin, and they are associated with inflammation.

Edit: Maybe all of the funding is going toward grail projects like synthetic beef patties that have an element of technical novelty, rather than the comparatively boring process of creating collagen at scale and getting FDA approval?

Re: Comparison of Postsurgical Scars Between Vegan and Omnivore Patients

#18
post #2

> This study suggests that a vegan diet may negatively influence the outcome of surgical scars. This is unusually damning to veganism-as-it-is-practiced if not to veganism itself. It would be interesting to see these results across a wide range of diets.

One of several motte-and-bailey tactics used by vegans is going from

“Veganism is healthy”

To

“Veganism can be healthy if you exercise an impressive amount of restraint, discipline, and judgement in your vegan diet”

Re: Comparison of Postsurgical Scars Between Vegan and Omnivore Patients

#19
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed that there are probably ways to remediate some of these effects. I definitely favor smaller less impactful scarring, but also, so what? Calling ths "unusually damning" seems like a significant overinflation of concern. For all we know, it may have far more significant pro-recovery characteristics associated with it. "Oh you built too much scar tissue? Your vegan diet also stitched your blood vessels back toget…

dang really needs to get YC to develop an AI that can automatically add /s to ironic comment.

Or people could work on their ability to identify normal human modes of speech.

Re: Comparison of Postsurgical Scars Between Vegan and Omnivore Patients

#20

What's the point of having a better looking scar if you're more likely to get colon cancer? Also, given that study itself measured Iron and B12, supplementing Iron and B12 may help scar healing w/o the (red) meat eating downside.

Attributing colon cancer to meat is, it turns out, complete bullshit, just like most other nonsense anti-meat fear-mongering (uric acid, cholesterol, etc.).
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