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How to Build a Community: Starting with “Why?”

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Re: How to Build a Community: Starting with “Why?”

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I searched the post for "video" and "stream". Zero. How can one build a community without video and livestreaming in 2021? Not that I like it but even hard-core tech communities, eg in the embedded space, have some video exposure. Or big discords have often some video/streaming outlet.

This is a community without video and livestreaming in 2021. Especially amongst long term usernames.

Multiplayer game communities - not the watchers but the players - are also one.

I enjoyed the article but realized reading it there are different types of community. The form discussed there is more business/promotional, which is different from HN or MMOs.

Re: How to Build a Community: Starting with “Why?”

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post #9

I searched the post for "video" and "stream". Zero. How can one build a community without video and livestreaming in 2021? Not that I like it but even hard-core tech communities, eg in the embedded space, have some video exposure. Or big discords have often some video/streaming outlet.

This is a community without video and livestreaming in 2021. Especially amongst long term usernames. Multiplayer game communities - not the watchers but the players - are also one. I enjoyed the article but realized reading it there are different types of community. The form discussed there is more business/promotional, which is different from HN or MMOs.

Successful communities without any video exposure started ages before 2021, eg HN.

Re: How to Build a Community: Starting with “Why?”

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Maybe a bit of an aside, but community is such a weird word these days. It can represent a group of people who mostly only interact with each other (a remote mountain community) or a group of people that just have one thing in common (a data tool forum, the investment banking community).

These things are different and I think it matters. You say “members of a community” and it’s easy to imagine people who live within a half-day walk of the same river. But it’s not that at all, anymore. You used to be a member of a community. Now you can be in as many as you want.

There’s a trade off for that. Are the people on the forums I frequent going to show up at my wedding, my funeral? Will I watch their kids while they take care of their sick parents? No, none of that.

We’ve sliced ourselves so thin. There are benefits and costs to that. Any niche interest I have, I can find 100 people to talk about it with. I don’t have to worry if my neighbor is into it. I don’t have to worry about him at all.

Re: How to Build a Community: Starting with “Why?”

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The assumption that community building is an unalloyed good pervades tech, especially FOSS. I never see any analysis that concludes "building a community takes lots of work, requires skill sets that not everyone possesses in equal measure, and often can't justify the ROI". I'd like to see an article on why you should not build a community.

The assumption that learning to program is an unalloyed good pervades the world, especially the USA. I never see any analysis that concludes "programming takes lots of work, requires skill sets that not everyone possesses in equal measure, and often can't justify the ROI". I'd like to see an article on why you should not learn to program.

I've actually seen plenty of "not everyone needs to learn to program" articles.

https://www.google.com/search?q=not+everyone+needs+to+learn+...

I'd like to see analogous skeptical articles about community building.

Re: How to Build a Community: Starting with “Why?”

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I sometimes wonder about the “why?” for HN. It’s probably some mix of “because it’s interesting to the YC principals and participants”, “because it’s good inbound marketing (generally and specifically) for YC itself”, “it’s good marketing spot for YC companies to launch and hire”, and a sliver of “because it means arc gets used in prod somewhere”. I wonder the original mix and how it’s shifted over time.

I suspect it was something along the lines of: "There no place for people like us, to discuss thing we like to discuss, in a (civil facts-based) way that appeals to us (but not the riff raff we see elsewhere).

This feels a bit elitist to me. I also doubt that there's a single unifying narrative that applies to every user of this forum.

For me, browsing HN is a low effort way to get exposed to tech stuff I might not otherwise, and read industry news and interesting takes on that news. There's nothing particularly high minded about my usage. Don't get me wrong, the high quality discussion is pretty special, but the "riff raff" comment really rubs me the wrong way.

Re: How to Build a Community: Starting with “Why?”

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Maybe a bit of an aside, but community is such a weird word these days. It can represent a group of people who mostly only interact with each other (a remote mountain community) or a group of people that just have one thing in common (a data tool forum, the investment banking community). These things are different and I think it matters. You say “members of a community” and it’s easy to imagine people who live within…

I'm not sure it changed in a way that matters so much. You have 2 necessary groups you need to survive: the close mutual help group, people who will actually turn up at your funerals, wedding, help your kids if you die, shits like that. And you have the group of people you need to discuss things, change your opinion, teach you things, buy and sell to/from you.

So you want to talk "before", so let's say 1850 to go far enough.

For the first group, the affective partnership group, you had your family, often large and extended, and a few friends you met along the way.

For the second group, the social need group, you had you childhood friends still living around, your village, the other farmers around you, your clients and your trading partners (animal food providers, if you raised animals, stuff like that).

Your community, an American concept we don't have in French (in French it has a religious/isolated meaning like a monastery, I feel we would rather say "village"), I suppose would be the second one. People who depends loosely on you and on which you depend loosely (but you can switch, there's no personal feelings if you stop contact with part of it etc).

A forums on the internet, if you're an at home programmer, for instance, will be the same. You need some of them now, they're like a group of traders in your village you use to get stuff for your own farm. Now if you dislike their pricing or advice, you can change forum just like you could look for another group in the village before.

In short, I think your mistake is to expect community members in the past would go to your funerals (well there was a sense of duty in a village to do it because church, but it didn't mean people would cry at it or deeply miss you). A family and friends, a concept that has existed forever and still exists to this day, would and will.

And if you're not a programmer, the internet might be a lot less important, it may be to discuss guns for instance, and have fun comparing and sharing experience. But I guess calling that a community is more a PR move by people trying to sell you a social aspect to an experience, rather than a proper usage of the word to describe what the concept is. I'd call it an online forum, which is what these things are (the word has this underlying "discussion" meaning, in a multicast way)

Re: How to Build a Community: Starting with “Why?”

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This reminds me of the Simon Sinek classic "Start With Why." He leans on the example of Apple a bit too much, but otherwise it's a book that gets your attention and makes you wonder why something so simple can be missed by so many. https://simonsinek.com/product/start-with-why/ TED Talk as well, tho' I don't think it does the book justice. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=u4ZoJKF_VuA

Little fun fact: I am @simon on Twitter, and Simon Sinek and Simon Cowell are the two most common references/mentions that my Twitter handle (erroneously) gets.

I'd say that more than 90% of mentions are not intended for me, but for other Simons. [0]

[0]: https://twitter.com/search?q=%40simon&src=typed_query&f=live

Re: How to Build a Community: Starting with “Why?”

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Maybe a bit of an aside, but community is such a weird word these days. It can represent a group of people who mostly only interact with each other (a remote mountain community) or a group of people that just have one thing in common (a data tool forum, the investment banking community). These things are different and I think it matters. You say “members of a community” and it’s easy to imagine people who live within…

Definitions from Oxford Languages

community /kəˈmjuːnɪti/

noun

1. a group of people living in the same place or having a particular characteristic in common. "Montreal's Italian community"

2. the condition of sharing or having certain attitudes and interests in common. "the sense of community that organized religion can provide"

Re: How to Build a Community: Starting with “Why?”

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Maybe a bit of an aside, but community is such a weird word these days. It can represent a group of people who mostly only interact with each other (a remote mountain community) or a group of people that just have one thing in common (a data tool forum, the investment banking community). These things are different and I think it matters. You say “members of a community” and it’s easy to imagine people who live within…

> Are the people on the forums I frequent going to show up at my wedding, my funeral?

It can happens yes. The obvious example is a couple meeting in a game like WoW, marrying and inviting their in-game friends. Or that stories of a kid with rare genetic disease who could only socialize online and got people his parents didn’t know at his funerals.

Re: How to Build a Community: Starting with “Why?”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suspect it was something along the lines of: "There no place for people like us, to discuss thing we like to discuss, in a (civil facts-based) way that appeals to us (but not the riff raff we see elsewhere).

This feels a bit elitist to me. I also doubt that there's a single unifying narrative that applies to every user of this forum. For me, browsing HN is a low effort way to get exposed to tech stuff I might not otherwise, and read industry news and interesting takes on that news. There's nothing particularly high minded about my usage. Don't get me wrong, the high quality discussion is pretty special, but the "riff raf…

Yes and no. Rule #1 for starting a community - and starting is not the same as later - is to establish a strong and tight knit core.* That's more important than trying to appeal to _everyone_. Is that elitist? Or smart?

Religious beliefs aside (read: it's simply an example), look at Christianity. One guy and twelve disciples. I'm not a preacher but I don't think Jesus was elitist :)

* The same can be said of product. That is, established a core audience. Establish fit. Evolve from there.

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