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Financial Times Won't Give Apple A Cut, Drops iOS for Web App

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Re: Financial Times Won't Give Apple A Cut, Drops iOS for Web App

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Post by wmf »

Anechoic wrote: post #9
dstein wrote: post #5

I think we are close to the tipping point where a majority of developers begin to favor webapps to iOS native apps. I've seen this coming a mile away. Apple almost lost a big portion of its development community 2 years ago with that whole 3rd party development platform issue. Apple relented, and they are now turning a different crank with the big subscription tax. They are playing a game of monopoly here. It's the s…

> I think we are close to the tipping point where a majority of developers begin to favor webapps to iOS native apps Isn't this pretty much what Apple wanted in the first place?

I don't think Apple ever liked Web apps; they just talked about it until the real SDK was ready.

Re: Financial Times Won't Give Apple A Cut, Drops iOS for Web App

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Post by scrod »

dstein wrote: post #5

I think we are close to the tipping point where a majority of developers begin to favor webapps to iOS native apps. I've seen this coming a mile away. Apple almost lost a big portion of its development community 2 years ago with that whole 3rd party development platform issue. Apple relented, and they are now turning a different crank with the big subscription tax. They are playing a game of monopoly here. It's the s…

>By restricting HTML5 Audio controls, and rendering engine speed, it prevents games and music web apps from being viable inside the browser.

It must be frustrating for the WebKit team when their engineering advancements are taken for granted and attributed to Chrome — the perceived bastion of web freedom — while they themselves are simultaneously criticized for assisting in a conspiracy against "the web" whenever they fail to make enough cutting-edge performance improvements.

Re: Financial Times Won't Give Apple A Cut, Drops iOS for Web App

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Post by ThomPete »

dstein wrote: post #10
zzleeper wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[Meta] Funny to see that your post has been grayed out, even though it's logical and makes a point. I would expect people who disagree to reply instead of downvoting. And yes, even though your topic is controversial, it passes the guidelines criteria.

Yeah if anyone can point out why Apple will be able to continue it's dominance over mobile apps with a 30% tax I'd really like to hear why.

Because their platform is superior to everything else out there. Because mobile apps is not even close to providing proper user experience.

People expect snappy as hell execution on the iOS, the actual flow of the app is often more important than the looks. And in my experience the web apps just aren't there yet.

Apple make no money on the app store it more or less goes to operations. You can call it a tax or you can be honest and call it what it is. The price of keeping a well structured market place.

Re: Financial Times Won't Give Apple A Cut, Drops iOS for Web App

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Post by blinkingled »

Anechoic wrote: post #9
dstein wrote: post #5

I think we are close to the tipping point where a majority of developers begin to favor webapps to iOS native apps. I've seen this coming a mile away. Apple almost lost a big portion of its development community 2 years ago with that whole 3rd party development platform issue. Apple relented, and they are now turning a different crank with the big subscription tax. They are playing a game of monopoly here. It's the s…

> I think we are close to the tipping point where a majority of developers begin to favor webapps to iOS native apps Isn't this pretty much what Apple wanted in the first place?

No. It just meant that they did not have the native application development SDK and the associated App Store infrastructure ready that time. Saying "who needs native apps when there is the Web" up until releasing the native App Store is typical of Apple - "who wants to watch video on small screen", "People don't read anymore" etc. come to mind.

Re: Financial Times Won't Give Apple A Cut, Drops iOS for Web App

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Post by phlux »

silverlight wrote: post #3

A little OT, but I was actually thinking about the in-app subscriptions policy the other day as it applies to SaaS. I know that there was some email floating around that was supposedly from Steve Jobs saying it didn't apply, but I was curious if anyone out there has had an app rejected (or accepted, for that matter, since the policy took effect) for not accepting in-app purchases of subscriptions. We are thinking abo…

Get their email when they use the app, however you can do that, send them a thank you email and offer them a discounted upsell?

Re: Financial Times Won't Give Apple A Cut, Drops iOS for Web App

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Post by phlux »

dstein wrote: post #5

I think we are close to the tipping point where a majority of developers begin to favor webapps to iOS native apps. I've seen this coming a mile away. Apple almost lost a big portion of its development community 2 years ago with that whole 3rd party development platform issue. Apple relented, and they are now turning a different crank with the big subscription tax. They are playing a game of monopoly here. It's the s…

This is the reason why there will be major difficulty in iOS in medical. Apple has its hands around the neck of the platform too firmly to make it feasible for serious medical enterprise apps.

There are lots of people who dont believe this, but as a healthcare designer i really think that apples model is way too greedy and crippling.

Re: Financial Times Won't Give Apple A Cut, Drops iOS for Web App

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Post by dstein »

ThomPete wrote: post #13
dstein wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah if anyone can point out why Apple will be able to continue it's dominance over mobile apps with a 30% tax I'd really like to hear why.

Because their platform is superior to everything else out there. Because mobile apps is not even close to providing proper user experience. People expect snappy as hell execution on the iOS, the actual flow of the app is often more important than the looks. And in my experience the web apps just aren't there yet. Apple make no money on the app store it more or less goes to operations. You can call it a tax or you can…

Valid points, but the subscription tax is on top of application delivery fees. That's going too far, and I think we're about to see a watershed event where nearly all publishers begin to flee the App Store. Watch it happen.

Re: Financial Times Won't Give Apple A Cut, Drops iOS for Web App

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Post by kennystone »

People like to talk about black and white, native versus web, etc, but this is simply a matter of finding the right fit for the Financial Times. Many of the newsy apps can be done very well with the latest browsers (and other kinds of apps, too!). It makes sense for subscriptions as well as for maintenance and tech investment, and they won't lose much (if any) functionality. Some apps will always be better suited for native, but as the browser technology grows, we'll move back to web apps more. It wasn't so long ago that touch gestures were pretty hard to do right in a web app, so the only way to do a mobile app right was to go native.

Re: Financial Times Won't Give Apple A Cut, Drops iOS for Web App

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Post by patrickaljord »

scrod wrote: post #12
dstein wrote: post #5

I think we are close to the tipping point where a majority of developers begin to favor webapps to iOS native apps. I've seen this coming a mile away. Apple almost lost a big portion of its development community 2 years ago with that whole 3rd party development platform issue. Apple relented, and they are now turning a different crank with the big subscription tax. They are playing a game of monopoly here. It's the s…

> By restricting HTML5 Audio controls, and rendering engine speed, it prevents games and music web apps from being viable inside the browser. It must be frustrating for the WebKit team when their engineering advancements are taken for granted and attributed to Chrome — the perceived bastion of web freedom — while they themselves are simultaneously criticized for assisting in a conspiracy against "the web" whenever th…

> It must be frustrating for the WebKit team when their engineering advancements are taken for granted and attributed to Chrome

The chrome team makes more commits than the Apple webkit team. I know number of commits don't mean much but the chrome team is mostly reponsible for adding websocket, the file api, web workers and more. Also don't forget webkit itself is based on KDE's KHTML.

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