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Re: Falling sperm counts could threaten the human race

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Post by loceng »

lm28469 wrote: post #5

> Total sperm count in the Western world had fallen 59% between 1973 and 2011. It doesn't take a genius to see that the West is degenerating. We've never been so fat, unhealthy, lazy, complacent, &c. when our whole lifestyle revolves around producing chemical waste and consuming exhaust fume, micro plastics and leftover pesticides it really isn't a surprise our bodies are starting to fail, garbage in garbage out. But…

The industrial complexes, duopoly in political party fed by the industrial complexes, suffocating people extracting as much value for themselves as possible will need to change soon if the US is to recover. I believe Andrew Yang's core policies will this by supporting individuals adequately and strengthening the democratic process - primarily by breaking apart the duopoly.

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Post by missedthecue »

lm28469 wrote: post #5

> Total sperm count in the Western world had fallen 59% between 1973 and 2011. It doesn't take a genius to see that the West is degenerating. We've never been so fat, unhealthy, lazy, complacent, &c. when our whole lifestyle revolves around producing chemical waste and consuming exhaust fume, micro plastics and leftover pesticides it really isn't a surprise our bodies are starting to fail, garbage in garbage out. But…

Fatter, yes. But I think it might surprise you how toxic basic life was in the 1950s.

There was a time that this was a normal day in London - https://i.imgur.com/8jRGvYf.jpeg

And this, a normal day in LA - https://i.imgur.com/YlimuGS.jpg

Re: Falling sperm counts could threaten the human race

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Post by jonnycomputer »

Nuclear annihilation is a much more likely threat to the human race. We just constantly shove it out of our minds because its too damn scary. I know I do. I wouldn't be able to sleep at night, or focus on my job if I thought about it too much.

Climate change is also scary. And could lead to conflicts that cause nuclear exchanges. That's also a more credible threat than falling sperm count.

Falling sperm count may be a big concern, but how scary it is really depends on the cause. If falling sperm count just means that our population slowly drops to sustainable levels, levels where just washing clothes made of nylon no longer causes damaging plastic pollution in the arctic, for example, then that might not be the worst outcome (relative to the counterfactual such as population-dependent climate-change-induced nuclear-exchanges over scarce resources).

And if plastic pollution is the cause of falling sperm count, it might just be self correcting...

Re: Falling sperm counts could threaten the human race

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Post by lm28469 »

missedthecue wrote: post #12
lm28469 wrote: post #5

> Total sperm count in the Western world had fallen 59% between 1973 and 2011. It doesn't take a genius to see that the West is degenerating. We've never been so fat, unhealthy, lazy, complacent, &c. when our whole lifestyle revolves around producing chemical waste and consuming exhaust fume, micro plastics and leftover pesticides it really isn't a surprise our bodies are starting to fail, garbage in garbage out. But…

Fatter, yes. But I think it might surprise you how toxic basic life was in the 1950s. There was a time that this was a normal day in London - https://i.imgur.com/8jRGvYf.jpeg And this, a normal day in LA - https://i.imgur.com/YlimuGS.jpg

Big cities have always sucked and probably sucked more before yes (just have a look at industrial revolution London), but I'm not talking about air pollution only, it's our hole lifestyles, just walk in a supermarket, what's the ratio of fresh food to junk food ? 10/90 ? maybe even smaller. Kids obesity has never been so high, adult obesity is going up everywhere, not a month goes by without food related scandals, biodiversity is tanking mostly because of humans, fruits/veggies are less and less nutritious, infertility is going up, &c.

It's like every single meaningful metrics are going down

Re: Falling sperm counts could threaten the human race

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Post by Huwyt_Nashi025 »

lm28469 wrote: post #5

> Total sperm count in the Western world had fallen 59% between 1973 and 2011. It doesn't take a genius to see that the West is degenerating. We've never been so fat, unhealthy, lazy, complacent, &c. when our whole lifestyle revolves around producing chemical waste and consuming exhaust fume, micro plastics and leftover pesticides it really isn't a surprise our bodies are starting to fail, garbage in garbage out. But…

Our governments seem pretty confident that they can import foreigners faster than the birth rates of natives collapse so there's nothing to worry about. The economy will survive.

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Post by machinebun »

lm28469 wrote: post #14
missedthecue wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fatter, yes. But I think it might surprise you how toxic basic life was in the 1950s. There was a time that this was a normal day in London - https://i.imgur.com/8jRGvYf.jpeg And this, a normal day in LA - https://i.imgur.com/YlimuGS.jpg

Big cities have always sucked and probably sucked more before yes (just have a look at industrial revolution London), but I'm not talking about air pollution only, it's our hole lifestyles, just walk in a supermarket, what's the ratio of fresh food to junk food ? 10/90 ? maybe even smaller. Kids obesity has never been so high, adult obesity is going up everywhere, not a month goes by without food related scandals, bi…

> It's like every single meaningful metrics are going down

Except somehow life expectancy is the highest ever (excluding a small spike down lately in USA).

Plus we took lead out of houses and gasoline, and smoking rates are down across the world... this should not be under-estimated.

The young generation right now is actually likely one of the healthiest comparatively (even with the increased obesity rates)

Re: Falling sperm counts could threaten the human race

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Post by Huwyt_Nashi025 »

jonnycomputer wrote: post #13

Nuclear annihilation is a much more likely threat to the human race. We just constantly shove it out of our minds because its too damn scary. I know I do. I wouldn't be able to sleep at night, or focus on my job if I thought about it too much. Climate change is also scary. And could lead to conflicts that cause nuclear exchanges. That's also a more credible threat than falling sperm count. Falling sperm count may be…

Most (all?) Western populations are well below sustainable already, and falling sharply. It's a big reason for this unprecedented replacement migration from African and Asian countries, in particular, where women may average 7 or more children each.

Re: Falling sperm counts could threaten the human race

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Post by lm28469 »

machinebun wrote: post #16
lm28469 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Big cities have always sucked and probably sucked more before yes (just have a look at industrial revolution London), but I'm not talking about air pollution only, it's our hole lifestyles, just walk in a supermarket, what's the ratio of fresh food to junk food ? 10/90 ? maybe even smaller. Kids obesity has never been so high, adult obesity is going up everywhere, not a month goes by without food related scandals, bi…

> It's like every single meaningful metrics are going down Except somehow life expectancy is the highest ever (excluding a small spike down lately in USA). Plus we took lead out of houses and gasoline, and smoking rates are down across the world... this should not be under-estimated. The young generation right now is actually likely one of the healthiest comparatively (even with the increased obesity rates)

Yes we got better at artificially maintaining people alive that's for sure, I hardly count that as a meaningful metric. It's a bit like GDP, if all you look at are the two things on a positive trend you might miss the forest for the trees. We can also talk about depression, suicide (both attempted and successful), &c.

When 40%+ of your country's population is medically obese you have to start asking questions, this is nothing else than self sabotage and slow suicide. How do people come to the point of not caring about themselves to that extent, that alone should be a gigantic red flag, at least as big as climate change and dying biodiversity

I personally have no interest in living a long life in a dying world. Life expectancy discussions always make me think of: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Moral_letters_to_Lucilius/Let...

Re: Falling sperm counts could threaten the human race

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Post by Lammy »

Huwyt_Nashi025 wrote: post #15
lm28469 wrote: post #5

> Total sperm count in the Western world had fallen 59% between 1973 and 2011. It doesn't take a genius to see that the West is degenerating. We've never been so fat, unhealthy, lazy, complacent, &c. when our whole lifestyle revolves around producing chemical waste and consuming exhaust fume, micro plastics and leftover pesticides it really isn't a surprise our bodies are starting to fail, garbage in garbage out. But…

Our governments seem pretty confident that they can import foreigners faster than the birth rates of natives collapse so there's nothing to worry about. The economy will survive.

There is no such thing as a foreigner. The elites have been worldwide for ages, and they're still able to divide-and-conquer by convincing you of the fake idea of separate countries.

Re: Falling sperm counts could threaten the human race

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Post by taylodl »

lm28469 wrote: post #18
machinebun wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's like every single meaningful metrics are going down Except somehow life expectancy is the highest ever (excluding a small spike down lately in USA). Plus we took lead out of houses and gasoline, and smoking rates are down across the world... this should not be under-estimated. The young generation right now is actually likely one of the healthiest comparatively (even with the increased obesity rates)

Yes we got better at artificially maintaining people alive that's for sure, I hardly count that as a meaningful metric. It's a bit like GDP, if all you look at are the two things on a positive trend you might miss the forest for the trees. We can also talk about depression, suicide (both attempted and successful), &c. When 40%+ of your country's population is medically obese you have to start asking questions, this i…

When 40%+ of your country's population is medically obese - there's a saying for this: these are first-world problems, i.e. this is a good problem to have. I'm not denying obesity is a problem and it's having an impact on our health, but if I were a policymaker I would much prefer having the problem where 40%+ of my country's population is obese than 40%+ of my population is starving due to crop yield failure and failed infrastructure. In comparison obesity is a much better problem to have.
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