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Re: Surviving an Execution

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Or carbon monoxide?

Carbon monoxide is an awful way to die, as it triggers the hypercapnic alarm response. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypercapnic_alarm_response Inert gas asphyxiation would be a more "humane" way https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inert_gas_asphyxiation

You confuse CO with CO2, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_monoxide_poisoning....

Re: Surviving an Execution

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I believe that is wasn't unheard of in England for relatives of a condemned person to pay off the hangman to either (a) make sure the death went well (ie, they were killed by their neck being broken instead of strangulation) or (b) to cut them down early so they would survive.

Re: Surviving an Execution

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or carbon monoxide?

Or you know, literally, just a gun to the head. Out of all possible execution methods that were tried in the last century, the lethal injection seems to be one of the most horrific ones, possibly beaten by the electric chair.

Lethal injection designed and administered by a competent anesthesiologist who had a goal of making the process as painless and peaceful as possible seems like one of the better ways to die. It was a good idea in principle. But in practice, the nonsensical protocols designed by non-experts who don't care about the experience being pleasant and administered by incompetents hasn't gone well.

Re: Surviving an Execution

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I always thought that the movie, Capote, had the most visceral depiction of execution I've seen in film. The idea of being led to your death, the hood, the waiting for the platform to drop. Oof, makes my heart race a bit. The hanging or shooting may be quick, but the moments leading up to it certainly are not. And imagine if you were innocent!

This is one reason why, when the UK had capital punishment, a premium was placed on speed. The condemned cell was set up a few yards from the scaffold and the idea was that the time from the executioner entering the cell to the trap being dropped could be well under one minute.

The movie 'Pierrepoint' shows this pretty well (and has a very good performance by Timothy Spall as the eponymous professional but slightly conflicted hangman).

Re: Surviving an Execution

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Why not a firing squad? I’ve never understood why we are so concerned with the pain and suffering of a condemned murderer. I get that the 8th amendment is there and we shouldn’t want to make anyone suffer but some criminals are alive simply because it’s illegal to kill them.

Firing squads can still be used in Utah if the prisoner was sentenced before May 2004 and chooses for that method over lethal injection. They can also be used if lethal injection drugs aren't available.

For federal executions, the Trump DOJ changed the rules effective December 24, 2020 to allow federal executions to use any method that the state in which the prisoner was sentenced allows so federal prisoners sentenced in Utah could now be executed via firing squad.

Re: Surviving an Execution

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Not a fan of the death penalty in general, for multiple reasons, but anesthesia administered by gas, as before surgery, seems way more certain than searching for a vein. After that, no method of execution is going to be cruel, assuming the criminal doesn't wake up.

Re: Surviving an Execution

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or carbon monoxide?

Or you know, literally, just a gun to the head. Out of all possible execution methods that were tried in the last century, the lethal injection seems to be one of the most horrific ones, possibly beaten by the electric chair.

Plenty of people have survived execution by gunshot - especially in wartime, when shooting prisoners is commonplace. See for example, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wenceslao_Moguel and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amerigo_Dumini

Re: Surviving an Execution

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post #15
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I always thought that the movie, Capote, had the most visceral depiction of execution I've seen in film. The idea of being led to your death, the hood, the waiting for the platform to drop. Oof, makes my heart race a bit. The hanging or shooting may be quick, but the moments leading up to it certainly are not. And imagine if you were innocent!

This is one reason why, when the UK had capital punishment, a premium was placed on speed. The condemned cell was set up a few yards from the scaffold and the idea was that the time from the executioner entering the cell to the trap being dropped could be well under one minute. The movie 'Pierrepoint' shows this pretty well (and has a very good performance by Timothy Spall as the eponymous professional but slightly c…

Yes, but that didn't seem always to be the case when the British were hanging people overseas. George Orwell wrote an essay, A Hanging [1], about an execution that he witnessed while serving in Burma. The prisoner, and escort, have a walk of several minutes from the cell to the gallows outdoors. At one point, with 40 yards to go to the gallows, the party is disrupted by a large playful dog. He notes that after the disturbance, the prisoner steps to one side to avoid a puddle on the ground. Orwell writes:

"It is curious, but till that moment I had never realized what it means to destroy a healthy, conscious man. When I saw the prisoner step aside to avoid the puddle, I saw the mystery, the unspeakable wrongness, of cutting a life short when it is in full tide. This man was not dying, he was alive just as we were alive. All the organs of his body were working — bowels digesting food, skin renewing itself, nails growing, tissues forming — all toiling away in solemn foolery. His nails would still be growing when he stood on the drop, when he was falling through the air with a tenth of a second to live. His eyes saw the yellow gravel and the grey walls, and his brain still remembered, foresaw, reasoned — reasoned even about puddles. He and we were a party of men walking together, seeing, hearing, feeling, understanding the same world; and in two minutes, with a sudden snap, one of us would be gone — one mind less, one world less.

It's powerful stuff, whatever your thoughts on capital punishment.

[1] https://orwell.ru/library/articles/hanging/english/e_hanging

Re: Surviving an Execution

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or carbon monoxide?

Or you know, literally, just a gun to the head. Out of all possible execution methods that were tried in the last century, the lethal injection seems to be one of the most horrific ones, possibly beaten by the electric chair.

I think certain French revolutionaries found a more clear-cut solution a long time ago.

(Personally, I find the death sentence in any form barbaric, given how it nullifies any form of recourse in cases of wrongful conviction. It might however be an agreeable option to offer "voluntary execution" of some form: allow inmates convicted for life an alternative to using bedsheets in ways they weren't intended for. What a depressing topic, this.)

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