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Re: A new take on remote/hybrid standups

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Post by ThePadawan »

ghaff wrote: post #7

Having a daily team meeting for mostly unnecessary purposes sounds awful. I admittedly don't primarily do development and don't have daily standups anyway. Once a week team meetings at mutually convenient time--I work across multiple timezones--that can spend some time on what people are up to outside of work are fine. But that's about the limit.

They're daily for the reason that if they're not unnecessary, it's possible to react quickly to obstacles.

In the ideal case, if everyone just says "yep, still working on that feature, I see no obstacles, next", standups can last 3 minutes.

In the case where someone says "I'm blocked by a PR by Geoff from Team B" for 2 days straight, the team knows to step in.

Re: A new take on remote/hybrid standups

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Post by purplecats »

echohack5 wrote: post #9

I've done every conceivable version of "agile" and "standups" over the years. The best shape, and the best teams that I've worked on do: 1. Standup - 10-15m (face time) Monday / Wednesday 2. Async (Slack channel text) Tuesday / Thursday 3. Planning - 30m-1h (face time) Friday 4. A rotating "lead" or "on-call" or "captain" for the week who organizes these things and interfaces with other team's standups This, in combi…

interesting. I would have never guessed that our 30m long daily standups where my manager micromanages every minute detail into every person's work was not the best way to go about it. /s

Re: A new take on remote/hybrid standups

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Post by whimsica1 »

This remind me of Remotion. I have no comments about the Standup vs. Rally. How this is solving a problem for me is that I no longer needs to create zoom call for every meeting, and it seems to be less resource heavy than Google Meets during screenshare.

1. Screen sharing does not work without enabling webcam first.

2. Room options are not presented in the room, I had to go back to lobby (e.g. change settings)

3. Video resolution is better than Discord free-tier, though the bandwidth/speed seems slow.

4. How can I invite someone online to my table or room?

5. When I'm out of room or stopped camera, chrome is still occupying my webcam / my macbook cam light is still on.

6. I was hoping there is option to keep room always open.

Awesome work; Keep it up!

Re: A new take on remote/hybrid standups

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Post by Ali_Jiwani »

blowfish721 wrote: post #8
casion wrote: post #6

> Reframe the purpose of the standup so its not purely about work but about catching up and hanging out as well. I like to chat after work, if I have time. I like to joke, laugh, have idle chatter with co-workers if/when we pair on things. (especially during deploys or compile cycles) I do not want to be forced to schedule "social time". Social activity is fluid for me, and I can 'fake it' if necessary, but needing t…

Couldn’t agree more about scheduled social time. Our standups are usually kept short (15 min or less total) which is usually more than enough and if there’s anything that needs more time then the ones who needs to be involved schedule their own meeting outside of that. We do however have an open Teams chat where people jump in and drop out all through the day just to hang out or throw out simple questions. Even had s…

Appreciate this comment. Can you tell me more about this open Teams chat? Is it a video/audio only chat or it's just a channel like #random or #watercooler?

Re: A new take on remote/hybrid standups

#16

Post by Ali_Jiwani »

echohack5 wrote: post #9

I've done every conceivable version of "agile" and "standups" over the years. The best shape, and the best teams that I've worked on do: 1. Standup - 10-15m (face time) Monday / Wednesday 2. Async (Slack channel text) Tuesday / Thursday 3. Planning - 30m-1h (face time) Friday 4. A rotating "lead" or "on-call" or "captain" for the week who organizes these things and interfaces with other team's standups This, in combi…

Thank you for this opinion! I completely hear you on forced-socialization ideas. I also understand that there is a place for work and a place for fun. However, I am curious on what you have tried or seen on top performing teams around building camaraderie and coming together - especially when remote.

Re: A new take on remote/hybrid standups

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Post by Ali_Jiwani »

hw wrote: post #5

Standups are normally short, and meant to be short so people don't ramble on and everyone can go back to their work. I hate standups because it's mostly treated as an agile 'ceremony', and that there are better ways to relieve blockers a.k.a communication via Slack or Teams or other means. Taking 30-60 minutes to do a Rally is, forgive me for being skeptical, worse than a traditional standup in that it takes up more…

Fully agree. It's part of the problem we are thinking about. How do we make remote work fun for extroverts while not sidelining others? This was one take at the problem and I really appreciate the feedback you gave :)

Re: A new take on remote/hybrid standups

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Post by Ali_Jiwani »

whimsica1 wrote: post #14

This remind me of Remotion. I have no comments about the Standup vs. Rally. How this is solving a problem for me is that I no longer needs to create zoom call for every meeting, and it seems to be less resource heavy than Google Meets during screenshare. 1. Screen sharing does not work without enabling webcam first. 2. Room options are not presented in the room, I had to go back to lobby (e.g. change settings) 3. Vid…

Great feedback. Thank you! Will look into these comments!

Re: A new take on remote/hybrid standups

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Post by Ali_Jiwani »

lowbloodsugar wrote: post #3

I thought this was from Rally, the company that makes Scrum software (now owned by Broadcom it appears), instead of from Rally, the company that makes Scrum software. Can't believe you're not walking into a trademark war with a much larger company.

LOL we have enough fires burning as it is..

Re: A new take on remote/hybrid standups

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Post by Ali_Jiwani »

ThePadawan wrote: post #11
ghaff wrote: post #7

Having a daily team meeting for mostly unnecessary purposes sounds awful. I admittedly don't primarily do development and don't have daily standups anyway. Once a week team meetings at mutually convenient time--I work across multiple timezones--that can spend some time on what people are up to outside of work are fine. But that's about the limit.

They're daily for the reason that if they're not unnecessary, it's possible to react quickly to obstacles. In the ideal case, if everyone just says "yep, still working on that feature, I see no obstacles, next", standups can last 3 minutes. In the case where someone says "I'm blocked by a PR by Geoff from Team B" for 2 days straight, the team knows to step in.

Yup this makes sense. Also to the original comment, our approach is not for everyone. It definitely skews extroverted.
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