Yeah, tech and AI is pretty unpopular and they'll probably have a hard time finding people who want to work there since the entire planet is now independently wealthy
Is Google’s AI research about to implode?
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#12> For these types of games, the algorithms can’t learn because they require an understanding of the concept of ladders, ropes and keys.
The underlying problem of AI is that we've taken something we don't really understand, and applied it. When something like that does not work - what can you really do?
Re: Is Google’s AI research about to implode?
#13No its not.
Great that we taked about it :-)
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#14As the author admits, the headline is a clickbait question.
Indeed, the article highlights some issues with AI research, in particular those which can lead to ethical problems when AI methods are implemented in consumer products. These are by now well-known and important issues and people should find a way to resolve them.
Then, in its final paragraph, the article suddenly claims to have answered its title question in the affirmative! Am I alone in thinking that the issues, valid as they could be, do not obviously spell doom for the entire program?
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#15> is that the technical challenges lie in finding ways to organise and construct language and image datasets in a way that is as ‘neutral’ as possible
I think part of the problem is that 'neutral' models dont exist. And framing it that way already loses half the battle. There is no such thing as a neutral perspective.
It's like when you learn a language, people always say they want to lose their accent as if it's a process of reduction to some perfect median. When in truth the way to 'lose your accent' is to pick a model speaker you like and mimic theirs.
Of course I do agree we should probably replace the current biased ones with better ones, but the 'neutral' goal irks me. When it is picking one bias for another.
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#16Set aside the ethics issues for the moment, the criticism that Google is neglecting alternatives to neural networks is probably reasonably fair. But on the other hand, research labs or not, Google is still a commercial entity driven by a shorter term horizon than your average academic. Google Research has probably subconsciously drifted towards areas (or at least applications) that can tangibly benefit Google in the…
Thank you for giving a constructive answer because quite frankly after reading the article my reply was going to be much more acid against the author, which in my mind has some kind of agenda.
I'm always thinking that Google research is going to stagnate and yet they continue to show impressive results. So, yes, I would love to see something more original than yet another NN, but on the other hand... amazing.
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#17> Is Google's AI research about to implode?
No. (For reference see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge%27s_law_of_headline...)
Seriously though - even if the points in the article were true, none of them imply any kind of implosion or significant disruption in Google's research.
> Maybe one day we will see the transition from Hinton (ways of representing complex data in a neural network) to Gebru (accountable representation of those data sets) in the same way as we see the transition from Newton to Einstein.
This is so loaded and gives Gebru so much undeserved credit that it undermines that author's credibility.
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#18No. Every time someone makes a big stink about someone getting fired at one of the top tech companies, it is promptly followed by an article like this. A trillion dollar company that hires thousands of researchers and consistently produces some of the highest quality research with real results is not going to implode from one person being gone. Another pattern I've seen is someone leaving a company, followed by writi…
Hear hear.
These clickbaity article titles are tiresome.
Thanks for saying it like it is.
Re: Is Google’s AI research about to implode?
#19No. Every time someone makes a big stink about someone getting fired at one of the top tech companies, it is promptly followed by an article like this. A trillion dollar company that hires thousands of researchers and consistently produces some of the highest quality research with real results is not going to implode from one person being gone. Another pattern I've seen is someone leaving a company, followed by writi…
Did you read the article? Gebru's firing isn't the focus of it.
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#20The implosion argument in this article is solely ~based~ triggered by Google's botched handling of AI Ethics researchers. To argue that this will implode the complete AI organization seems like wild stretch. On a normal day, all the arguments padding the article would fall on deaf ears.
So, the answer to the question is no. Instead, AI Ethics research will probably implode. AI research, probably no.
For AI research to implode, major AI research leadership need to be seen leaving. And I am not talking about the corporate leadership but the research thought leadership whose sole purpose is to shield the junior/senior researchers from corporate BS (and who are themselves well-known researchers).
Edit: It is perhaps be more appropriate to have said that the botched AI Ethics researchers handling solely triggered the article.