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Memory Techniques from Vedic Learning [pdf]

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Re: Memory Techniques from Vedic Learning [pdf]

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do you think if, for say, 20 generations, your family practiced these mental exercises... would your DNA/RNA (more % turned 'on'[1]) be primed for increased memorization ? [1] https://science.howstuffworks.com/life/genetic/genes-turned-...

From my understanding, this is essentially Lamarckism, which was not taken as fact for a long time but has (recently?) been investigated again.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamarckism

Re: Memory Techniques from Vedic Learning [pdf]

#12
post #9

do you think if, for say, 20 generations, your family practiced these mental exercises... would your DNA/RNA (more % turned 'on'[1]) be primed for increased memorization ? [1] https://science.howstuffworks.com/life/genetic/genes-turned-...

From my understanding, this is essentially Lamarckism, which was not taken as fact for a long time but has (recently?) been investigated again. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamarckism

Counterpoint: Epigenetics is a thing, which is influenced by the parents life style.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epigenetics_of_Human_Developme... https://sciencing.com/epigenetics-definition-how-it-works-ex...

>Other studies have looked at the effect of famine. When mothers were exposed to famine during pregnancy, as was the case in Holland in 1944 and 1945, their children had a higher incidence of obesity and coronary disease compared to mothers not exposed to famine. The higher risks were traced to reduced DNA methylation of a gene producing an insulin-like growth factor. Such epigenetic effects can be inherited over several generations. >Exposure of parents to cocaine may affect memory.

I can't find evidence of it, but it seems reasonable to extrapolate that long term life style choices will also affect epigenetics for the better.

Re: Memory Techniques from Vedic Learning [pdf]

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From my understanding, this is essentially Lamarckism, which was not taken as fact for a long time but has (recently?) been investigated again. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamarckism

Counterpoint: Epigenetics is a thing, which is influenced by the parents life style. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epigenetics_of_Human_Developme... https://sciencing.com/epigenetics-definition-how-it-works-ex... >Other studies have looked at the effect of famine. When mothers were exposed to famine during pregnancy, as was the case in Holland in 1944 and 1945, their children had a higher incidence of obesity and cor…

There have been similar studies on male fitness level at the time of conception.

There is growing scientific evidence in human and animal studies that should inspire every father-to-be to start exercising more and eating healthier before conceiving a baby. A wide range of studies have found that fathers who are obese at the time of conception pass on a predisposition to their children and grandchildren to be overweight, to develop diabetes, or both.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-athletes-way/201...

Re: Memory Techniques from Vedic Learning [pdf]

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> The oral tradition of vedic learning has preserved the entire vedic texts by purely human memory for several generations. This in an enormous accomplishment given the vast corpus of text preserved without any errors creeping in.This has been made possible by a diligently devised systematic scheme of chanting the vedic corpus. A system of chanting for memory has been used since pre-history across many cultures. See…

> This in an enormous accomplishment given the vast corpus of text preserved without any errors creeping in. This bit is particularly questionable. It's unproveable -- if a text was only transmitted orally, there's no way to compare its modern form to an older version -- and it's probably wrong. The short-range memorization techniques described in the article don't guard against larger-scale errors in memorization, l…

I disagree, since it was spread orally and these texts were widespread in the subcontinent you could measure the similarity in different current renditions. If you looked at enough people's renderings you could even get a sense of how the transmission corrupts over time.

Re: Memory Techniques from Vedic Learning [pdf]

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> The oral tradition of vedic learning has preserved the entire vedic texts by purely human memory for several generations. This in an enormous accomplishment given the vast corpus of text preserved without any errors creeping in.This has been made possible by a diligently devised systematic scheme of chanting the vedic corpus. A system of chanting for memory has been used since pre-history across many cultures. See…

> This in an enormous accomplishment given the vast corpus of text preserved without any errors creeping in. This bit is particularly questionable. It's unproveable -- if a text was only transmitted orally, there's no way to compare its modern form to an older version -- and it's probably wrong. The short-range memorization techniques described in the article don't guard against larger-scale errors in memorization, l…

apparently brahmins in different parts of India, speaking different languages, from different schools, separated for generations recite these texts identically. while it doesn't prove anything it's plausible that due to these techniques and processes that have been able to preserve these texts verbatim.

Re: Memory Techniques from Vedic Learning [pdf]

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> The oral tradition of vedic learning has preserved the entire vedic texts by purely human memory for several generations. This in an enormous accomplishment given the vast corpus of text preserved without any errors creeping in.This has been made possible by a diligently devised systematic scheme of chanting the vedic corpus. A system of chanting for memory has been used since pre-history across many cultures. See…

> This in an enormous accomplishment given the vast corpus of text preserved without any errors creeping in. This bit is particularly questionable. It's unproveable -- if a text was only transmitted orally, there's no way to compare its modern form to an older version -- and it's probably wrong. The short-range memorization techniques described in the article don't guard against larger-scale errors in memorization, l…

I disagree. The key difference is here is that language sanskrit is unlike any other languages in the world. Somewhere during 400 BC. a grammarian named Panini formalized Sanskrit grammar as precise, formally defined 4200 rules. This book called `Ashtadhyayi` or 18 chapters was an exhaustive book of Sanskrit grammar and remains so even today. Panini defined a meta language to define Sanskrit grammar.

What this meant was that language stopped evolving since last 2400 years ago. You can create new words but there are precise rules for it. All this means there is no scope for "dialects", words meanings changing with geography etc. Different vedic chants separated by thousands of miles and 1000 years in time are exactly the same and perfectly understandable in any part of the country for anyone who has studied Sanskrit.

This makes Vedic chants unlike anything English, Latin or Arabic has to offer.

Re: Memory Techniques from Vedic Learning [pdf]

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This in an enormous accomplishment given the vast corpus of text preserved without any errors creeping in. This bit is particularly questionable. It's unproveable -- if a text was only transmitted orally, there's no way to compare its modern form to an older version -- and it's probably wrong. The short-range memorization techniques described in the article don't guard against larger-scale errors in memorization, l…

I disagree. The key difference is here is that language sanskrit is unlike any other languages in the world. Somewhere during 400 BC. a grammarian named Panini formalized Sanskrit grammar as precise, formally defined 4200 rules. This book called `Ashtadhyayi` or 18 chapters was an exhaustive book of Sanskrit grammar and remains so even today. Panini defined a meta language to define Sanskrit grammar. What this meant…

While what you say is true for Sanskrit is true, that Sanskrit is in a way fixed, it doesn't mean Sanskrit stopped evolving, it has certainly evolved since the time of Panini, just evolved in a way that doesn't break the rules set up by Panini. That however is a topic for another discussion as the vedas aren't composed in Paninian Sanskrit.

As for the vedas, specifically Rigveda (which is the only one I can comment on with some expertise) we have what we can call different recensions of the text. These texts, independently transmitted, differ very little from each other. This fact alone strongly indicate that even while they've been orally transmitted for many generations, they are more or less uncorrupted by the act of transmission.

Much more could be written on this subject (and has been). However, english isn't my native language, it is late and this comment could go on and on…short story is: memorization and oral transmission seems to work!

Re: Memory Techniques from Vedic Learning [pdf]

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This in an enormous accomplishment given the vast corpus of text preserved without any errors creeping in. This bit is particularly questionable. It's unproveable -- if a text was only transmitted orally, there's no way to compare its modern form to an older version -- and it's probably wrong. The short-range memorization techniques described in the article don't guard against larger-scale errors in memorization, l…

I disagree. The key difference is here is that language sanskrit is unlike any other languages in the world. Somewhere during 400 BC. a grammarian named Panini formalized Sanskrit grammar as precise, formally defined 4200 rules. This book called `Ashtadhyayi` or 18 chapters was an exhaustive book of Sanskrit grammar and remains so even today. Panini defined a meta language to define Sanskrit grammar. What this meant…

How does a rigid, comprehensive, and prescriptive grammar ensure accurate oral transmission of linguistic works across generations? How does such a grammar prevent semantic shifts across time?

Re: Memory Techniques from Vedic Learning [pdf]

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Fascinating. As a child, I semi-reluctantly learned vedic chanting when staying with relatives over the summer. It was very interesting to understand the “algorithms” behind the techniques they used to have us memorize each “shlok”. As the author says, these served an important purpose to transmit knowledge to future generations when writing materials and books were scarce and delicate.

The idea that memorization was used due to a lack of writing material is just a modern and shallow interpretation. The ancients considered written text as less authentic, and rightly so. Oral knowledge is spread among the populance and can not be destroyed or distorted by few actors.

I had not heard of that interpretation. Interesting.

Re: Memory Techniques from Vedic Learning [pdf]

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post #7

> The oral tradition of vedic learning has preserved the entire vedic texts by purely human memory for several generations. This in an enormous accomplishment given the vast corpus of text preserved without any errors creeping in.This has been made possible by a diligently devised systematic scheme of chanting the vedic corpus. A system of chanting for memory has been used since pre-history across many cultures. See…

> This in an enormous accomplishment given the vast corpus of text preserved without any errors creeping in. This bit is particularly questionable. It's unproveable -- if a text was only transmitted orally, there's no way to compare its modern form to an older version -- and it's probably wrong. The short-range memorization techniques described in the article don't guard against larger-scale errors in memorization, l…

There is error correction built in to the chants. Really advanced stuff, but I expect nothing less from those who authored the vedas.

https://hinduism.stackexchange.com/questions/9517/procedures...

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