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Re: Scott Siskind believes scientific racism is “probably partially correct”

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

damnyou wrote: post #9
AnimalMuppet wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Free clue: Calling a place a hellsite does not make your post more persuasive. Quite the opposite. It indicates that you aren't even bothering to try to persuade.

If your concern is more about this place being called a hellsite than the actual scientific racism at hand, then perhaps that says more about you than you might think.

If your concern is for screaming "scientific racism" rather than encouraging an honest look at the scientific evidence and using it as a guide to try to improve the situation, then that says something about you.

Re: Scott Siskind believes scientific racism is “probably partially correct”

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Post by unmole »

panny wrote: post #8
Bostonian wrote: post #3

Siskind is very thoughtful and reads a lot. If, after weighing the evidence, he concluded that some of the white/black difference on IQ tests is probably genetic, that does not make him a bad person or a "white supremacist", unless he has advocated denying civil rights to blacks. He has not done so. There is much current discussion of how to deal with racial disparities in outcomes in employment and education. What t…

Why is it white supremacy and not Japanese supremacy, since Japanese have the highest average IQ in studies I've seen? White countries all lag behind east Asia. It is really weird that Scott would be called a racial supremacist for exposing data that puts his race squarely in the middle of the pack.

> puts his race squarely in the middle of the pack

Don't Ashkenazi Jews as an ethnic group have the highest average IQ?

Re: Scott Siskind believes scientific racism is “probably partially correct”

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Post by mg5150 »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #10
mg5150 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Free clue: they probably already know that, and don't give a damn. Learn to distinguish between ignorance and indifference.

If so, and they post like that anyway, then they are coming close to violating the site guidelines.

That's dang's problem, isn't it?

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Post by chordalkeyboard »

panny wrote: post #8
Bostonian wrote: post #3

Siskind is very thoughtful and reads a lot. If, after weighing the evidence, he concluded that some of the white/black difference on IQ tests is probably genetic, that does not make him a bad person or a "white supremacist", unless he has advocated denying civil rights to blacks. He has not done so. There is much current discussion of how to deal with racial disparities in outcomes in employment and education. What t…

Why is it white supremacy and not Japanese supremacy, since Japanese have the highest average IQ in studies I've seen? White countries all lag behind east Asia. It is really weird that Scott would be called a racial supremacist for exposing data that puts his race squarely in the middle of the pack.

> Why is it white supremacy and not Japanese supremacy, since Japanese have the highest average IQ in studies I've seen?

Because its not about the specific issue, its about demonizing people who are willing to consider dangerous ideas.

> racial supremacist for exposing data that puts his race squarely in the middle of the pack.

He’s Jewish but you wouldn’t know that from all the people accusing him of being a nazi.

Re: Scott Siskind believes scientific racism is “probably partially correct”

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Post by ratsmack »

mg5150 wrote: post #7
damnyou wrote: post #4

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Yes, yes, that's the standard scientific racist line. "Oh we just care about educational outcomes".

IMO, anybody who takes Charles Murray seriously needs to be hit upside the head with a hardcover of Stephen J. Gould's The Mismeasure of Man , which exposed race-and-IQ studies for the racist bullshit they are in the 1970s, years before the publication of The Bell Curve .

It seems that everyone wants to talk about science until it involves race and IQ... why is that?

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Post by chordalkeyboard »

ratsmack wrote: post #16
mg5150 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMO, anybody who takes Charles Murray seriously needs to be hit upside the head with a hardcover of Stephen J. Gould's The Mismeasure of Man , which exposed race-and-IQ studies for the racist bullshit they are in the 1970s, years before the publication of The Bell Curve .

It seems that everyone wants to talk about science until it involves race and IQ... why is that?

Its incredibly socially awkward to float the idea that you could judge someone’s intelligence by their physical features and claim some objective validity. This is quite unfortunate because in my opinion IQ is pseudoscience and intelligence is socially constructed, so its not going to be possible to substantiate that view. But since we can’t even propose such an idea for purposes of argument without the danger of social sanction, those ideas are never properly debunked.

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Post by ratsmack »

chordalkeyboard wrote: post #15
panny wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is it white supremacy and not Japanese supremacy, since Japanese have the highest average IQ in studies I've seen? White countries all lag behind east Asia. It is really weird that Scott would be called a racial supremacist for exposing data that puts his race squarely in the middle of the pack.

> Why is it white supremacy and not Japanese supremacy, since Japanese have the highest average IQ in studies I've seen? Because its not about the specific issue, its about demonizing people who are willing to consider dangerous ideas. > racial supremacist for exposing data that puts his race squarely in the middle of the pack. He’s Jewish but you wouldn’t know that from all the people accusing him of being a nazi.

>... all the people accusing him of being a nazi.

This is no different than schoolyard name calling and is so juvenile. I just can fathom the thought process of someone that takes it to this level. If this is how someone believes they can win an argument, maybe it time for them to do a little self reflection.

Re: Scott Siskind believes scientific racism is “probably partially correct”

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Post by damnyou »

chordalkeyboard wrote: post #17
ratsmack wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems that everyone wants to talk about science until it involves race and IQ... why is that?

Its incredibly socially awkward to float the idea that you could judge someone’s intelligence by their physical features and claim some objective validity. This is quite unfortunate because in my opinion IQ is pseudoscience and intelligence is socially constructed, so its not going to be possible to substantiate that view. But since we can’t even propose such an idea for purposes of argument without the danger of soc…

The reason you can't do that by the way is because of literal centuries of slavery and oppression which was informed by the same basic idea, that some groups of people are naturally better than others.

Until things have been fine for an equally long time, such arguments will be socially sanctioned, as they should be.

Re: Scott Siskind believes scientific racism is “probably partially correct”

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Post by chordalkeyboard »

ratsmack wrote: post #18
chordalkeyboard wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why is it white supremacy and not Japanese supremacy, since Japanese have the highest average IQ in studies I've seen? Because its not about the specific issue, its about demonizing people who are willing to consider dangerous ideas. > racial supremacist for exposing data that puts his race squarely in the middle of the pack. He’s Jewish but you wouldn’t know that from all the people accusing him of being a nazi.

>... all the people accusing him of being a nazi. This is no different than schoolyard name calling and is so juvenile. I just can fathom the thought process of someone that takes it to this level. If this is how someone believes they can win an argument, maybe it time for them to do a little self reflection.

it's not really about winning arguments, so much as it is about making it so that reasoned discussion is difficult/impossible. And introspection is probably the only way for them to realize this. Unfortunately intellectual curiosity doesn't seem to be a common characteristic of this crowd.
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