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Windows Refund Day (1999)

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Re: Windows Refund Day (1999)

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I love how the BBC and New York Times articles are still online and preserved in their original look and feel. http://www.nytimes.com/library/tech/99/02/biztech/articles/1... http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_279000/2799...

Wow nytimes.com looks drastically better than their current design.

Re: Windows Refund Day (1999)

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I was still on the family G3 in 1999, was it difficult to buy a PC without Windows at the time?

Yeah, most of the big online ordering sites (Dell, Gateway, etc) would only let you get a copy with Windows. It was a huge deal when Dell started letting you buy "naked" PCs.

Re: Windows Refund Day (1999)

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post #11

I love how the BBC and New York Times articles are still online and preserved in their original look and feel. http://www.nytimes.com/library/tech/99/02/biztech/articles/1... http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_279000/2799...

Wow nytimes.com looks drastically better than their current design.

That seems to be a common theme with websites. Not to mention how quickly it loads...

Re: Windows Refund Day (1999)

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> The windows EULA (End User License Agreement) clearly states that the agreement can be refused by the end user, and that windows can be returned to the manufacturer. In real life, however, manufacturers typically say that they can't refund the windows license and tell the user to contact microsoft directly. I can't say I really blame manufacturers for doing that [...] I can. If companies want to profit by being a m…

> maybe they should stop doing business deals with a company that's actively hostile to them

Remember, at one point they were considered a monopoly on PC operating systems. It is not like PC vendors had an option. Not signing on to the cartel was not an option.

Re: Windows Refund Day (1999)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow nytimes.com looks drastically better than their current design.

That seems to be a common theme with websites. Not to mention how quickly it loads...

back then I was probably still on my brand spanking new awesome US Robotics 56k modem!

Re: Windows Refund Day (1999)

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> The windows EULA (End User License Agreement) clearly states that the agreement can be refused by the end user, and that windows can be returned to the manufacturer. In real life, however, manufacturers typically say that they can't refund the windows license and tell the user to contact microsoft directly. I can't say I really blame manufacturers for doing that [...] I can. If companies want to profit by being a m…

> maybe they should stop doing business deals with a company that's actively hostile to them Remember, at one point they were considered a monopoly on PC operating systems. It is not like PC vendors had an option. Not signing on to the cartel was not an option.

Anti-trust enforcement? At least back then it seemed like a possibility, nowadays seems inconceivable.

Re: Windows Refund Day (1999)

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post #11

I love how the BBC and New York Times articles are still online and preserved in their original look and feel. http://www.nytimes.com/library/tech/99/02/biztech/articles/1... http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_279000/2799...

Wow nytimes.com looks drastically better than their current design.

That’s an archived/print-formatted design. It isn’t how the actual website looked in 1999 (CSS and the DOM weren’t advanced enough for those kinds of layouts then), unfortunately.

Re: Windows Refund Day (1999)

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I love how the BBC and New York Times articles are still online and preserved in their original look and feel. http://www.nytimes.com/library/tech/99/02/biztech/articles/1... http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_279000/2799...

Wow nytimes.com looks drastically better than their current design.

Does it? Each line of text spans my whole monitor, which doesn't make for a very comfortable reading experience.

Re: Windows Refund Day (1999)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot has changed. No thanks to Microsoft, but a lot has changed. Drivers are much better now and many large companies supply their own drivers (though frustratingly often as binaries). Some companies like Dell offer Linux specific SKUs with somewhat tuned drivers. There are companies making Linux first desktops. Linux first servers are extremely common. There is a lot of hardware not just shipping with Linux but des…

I think it was meant in regards to refunding the Windowx tax or buying computers with Linux preinstalled universally . Some like Lenovo were giving customers very hard time in getting a refund. And only very recently they started offering Linux preinstalled on some of their models for regular users. Some things like you mentioned above are of course much better today. But Windows tax situation is still a mess.

Yea, would have to say there's a lot more options now.

It kind of seems like an elephant in the room, so want to call it out....

Is windows better or worse than macs/osx with Linux hostility? To me, it seems like Microsoft is less bad than Apple in this regard.

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