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The Vaccine Had to Be Used. He Used It. He Was Fired

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Re: The Vaccine Had to Be Used. He Used It. He Was Fired

#11

As stupid as this sounds, this is extremely standard policy in many, many jobs. Just because something is expiring doesn't mean you can use it against the standing rules and procedures.

It could introduce corruption otherwise too, selling doses that are about to expire to the highest bidder. Which then could introduce incentive to let more doses "expire". I agree that in this case it seems stupid, but the rule is there for a reason.

Re: The Vaccine Had to Be Used. He Used It. He Was Fired

#12
The same thing has been happening across the country. This is basically states failing to create a proper portal that can provide a vaccine-provider a list of the next n prioritized people in the city, and then blaming the doctors when they don't have arms to inject.

This is a failure of management from the very top, and people lower down getting the blame.

It is simply insane to me that most (all?) states haven't used the past six months to build proper portals that can do this. This doesn't even need to be some complex medical-records-transfer monstrosity -- allow people to put in their own information (or the information on non-tech-savvy relatives or neighbors), and verify them at the point of injection.

Here in Massachusetts, an extremely tech-savvy state, run by a health insurance exec, there is absolutely no centralized way to register yourself, and no way to put yourself on any kind of list at all, besides calling up individual vaccination sites once you become eligible. And there is no centralized list of what vaccination sites have openings (though a private citizen was able to make one via web scraping).

Re: The Vaccine Had to Be Used. He Used It. He Was Fired

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post #5

This is just Kafkaesque. People in a position of authority with blind adherence to rules intended for optimal scenarios. They're literally saying he should have just thrown them away instead of distributing them as best he was able. This whole thing is a logistical clusterfuck and they're trying to throw this dude under the bus. It's obscene.

The really telling part to me is that (seemingly) no one from any of the organizations involved (the hospital and the prosecutors office) will come forward and outright say that what was done was immoral. They are all hiding behind a veneer of "what he did broke the rules and my job is to enforce them", which is about the weakest argument one can make in defense this sort of thing.

Re: The Vaccine Had to Be Used. He Used It. He Was Fired

#15

As stupid as this sounds, this is extremely standard policy in many, many jobs. Just because something is expiring doesn't mean you can use it against the standing rules and procedures.

According to the doctor that was explicitly not the policy. His version is that the health department made it clear that they should do whatever they had to do to keep from wasting doses.

This lines up with what I know from family members doing vaccinations in other areas.

Re: The Vaccine Had to Be Used. He Used It. He Was Fired

#16

As stupid as this sounds, this is extremely standard policy in many, many jobs. Just because something is expiring doesn't mean you can use it against the standing rules and procedures.

On the other hand, most standard jobs have documented procedures and managers that respond to questions about policy accurately. The NYT reporting turned up no such things.

And seriously on the other hand, most jobs are not potentially life and death situations. There are few, if any parallel situations to this. Maybe it would be akin to parking a company vehicle incorrectly so you could stop and help an injured person.

Re: The Vaccine Had to Be Used. He Used It. He Was Fired

#17

Nobody is safe from a social media drive by. But honestly I'm not surprised. Lockdowns and isolation have turned some of my more reasonable acquaintances into rabid social media junkies who do nothing but judge anyone for the smallest social infraction.

What does this have to do with social media? I can't find any mention of social media in the article.

If anything, social media is going after the maliciously overzealous prosecutor on this.

Re: The Vaccine Had to Be Used. He Used It. He Was Fired

#18
In Spain we had many cases of politicians and public people using this excuse to get vaccinated before the rest (even bishops used it, and not only one!).

I think it would be an easy to fix thing: Have a list of extra people available if you end up with an extra dose.

It shouldn't be that hard, we had a year for preparing for this...

Re: The Vaccine Had to Be Used. He Used It. He Was Fired

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As stupid as this sounds, this is extremely standard policy in many, many jobs. Just because something is expiring doesn't mean you can use it against the standing rules and procedures.

> Dr. Gokal said the advice was to vaccinate people eligible under the 1(a) category then those under the 1(b) category.

> After that, he said, the message was: “Just put it in people’s arms. We don’t want any doses to go to waste. Period.”

It sounds like not wasting the limited vaccine was actual policy (possibly unofficial policy, but the message he was receiving).

And this would be the right policy. It's absolutely correct to get vaccines into people before the expire, so long as you hav correctly exhausted all means available to you of finding the right people.

The issue is that the states haven't made it easy for providers to find the right people when you have six hours remaining to use a vaccine.

Re: The Vaccine Had to Be Used. He Used It. He Was Fired

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post #11

As stupid as this sounds, this is extremely standard policy in many, many jobs. Just because something is expiring doesn't mean you can use it against the standing rules and procedures.

It could introduce corruption otherwise too, selling doses that are about to expire to the highest bidder. Which then could introduce incentive to let more doses "expire". I agree that in this case it seems stupid, but the rule is there for a reason.

It says in the article that he was told to get the doses in arms by any method necessary. His method seemed entirely reasonable.

A lot of this "it was policy" argument fails when Harris County failed to produce evidence of said policy and its instruction.

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