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The Queen has more power over British law than we thought

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Re: The Queen has more power over British law than we thought

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Isn't Britain a Constitutional *Monarchy*? Did they forget that? There's still the House of Lords and the House of Commons for a reason. The monarchy and the landowners are still a thing and are still a ruling class.

It seems like there are two groups of lords, one group has been heavily shown in the media(think Downton Abby or the aristocratic family having to sell or have tours of their estate). The other set of lords is not really shown in media and they are large landowners in London and other cities in Britain and are extremely wealthy and powerful, see the Grosvenor family - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Grosvenor,_7th_Duke_of_We...

Re: The Queen has more power over British law than we thought

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People keep assuming it's a democracy and they're often told they are in charge, then somehow things never go their way...

That's kind of the fault of voters, the political class, and the media, though. The Queen's practical impact on the situation is practically nil.

If she’s useless and using up resources, I would suggest you get rid of her.

Re: The Queen has more power over British law than we thought

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I used to work as a scholar of Britain (specifically executions in Early Modern England, but you pick up a lot along the way) and I've tried to explain to a lot of people the amount of influence and control that the monarch actually holds. I'm not sure that this is such a bad thing. The Queen can't create legislation, she can restrain it. She is purely a moderating influence in this sense. She could, in theory, name new people to the House of Lords, but the Lords is no longer a hereditary body and there is a mechanism for the House of Commons to override the Lords.

Parliament does have power over the monarch in some senses, of course, in that there is precedent for Parliament changing the order of succession or introducing a regency. This happened without the monarch's assent, though admittedly over a hundred years ago. But the British constitution is one that replies on precedence, not a formal document.

I've characterized the Queen's powers as "reserve powers" inasmuch as, if everything goes wrong and Parliament dies from a meteor strike, the government still legally operate provided there is a monarch (even if you have to reach deep into the line of succession to find that person). By law she has to call elections within a certain amount of time. Obviously there's nothing to force her to follow the laws, but that's true of any country. She (or her heirs) are the leaders of last resort.

Re: The Queen has more power over British law than we thought

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I used to work as a scholar of Britain (specifically executions in Early Modern England, but you pick up a lot along the way) and I've tried to explain to a lot of people the amount of influence and control that the monarch actually holds. I'm not sure that this is such a bad thing. The Queen can't create legislation, she can restrain it. She is purely a moderating influence in this sense. She could, in theory, name…

Yes, this is very true. The Crown plays a useful and vital role in the Westminster system. (I'm in Canada.) It can't just be tossed without something to replace it. But I'm not sure the monarchy offers anything not provided by a nonpartisan and mostly ceremonial presidency, similar to Ireland or Germany.

Re: The Queen has more power over British law than we thought

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post #9

So where's Glenn Greenwald's complaints that the Guardian's journalists are prying into the Queen's private conversations and that she should be allowed to have these without criticism?

You’re suggesting that a head of state (more, a sovereign) should have the right to rule subjects by decree in private. I think that most would agree that the citizens should have the right to know how the laws they live under came to be. You are unfair to conflate Greenwald's advocacy for everyday individual privacy with the Queen’s right to rule arbitrarily.

Re: The Queen has more power over British law than we thought

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post #5

Parliament is sovereign. Consequently, the Queen has exactly as much power as Parliment allows. Sure, the Queen could decide to exercise her power outside of the constrained ways she currently does, but the very likely effect of that is a vote to strip her of her power.

This is exactly what the article is about.

I'm reacting to the central conceit of the piece, that this process of royal consent is somehow undemocratic.

This is the system of government that the people of Britain have chosen, and the impact of the queen is exclusively a political problem. If there was a serious difference between the will of Parliament (Commons) and the Queen, the result is a foregone conclusion.

Re: The Queen has more power over British law than we thought

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I wonder if private members' bills are subject to the same consent. As far as I'm aware, the first time the chamber hears of these bills is when they are submitted by the member, and presumably by that stage it's public and can't be retracted without bringing a huge spotlight on this obscure rule. A private member's bill could therefore potentially be used to bring about the abolition of this practice.

Re: The Queen has more power over British law than we thought

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post #14

I used to work as a scholar of Britain (specifically executions in Early Modern England, but you pick up a lot along the way) and I've tried to explain to a lot of people the amount of influence and control that the monarch actually holds. I'm not sure that this is such a bad thing. The Queen can't create legislation, she can restrain it. She is purely a moderating influence in this sense. She could, in theory, name…

Yes, this is very true. The Crown plays a useful and vital role in the Westminster system. (I'm in Canada.) It can't just be tossed without something to replace it. But I'm not sure the monarchy offers anything not provided by a nonpartisan and mostly ceremonial presidency, similar to Ireland or Germany.

You're 100% right. The UK would be served just as well by a nonpartisan president.
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