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I'm an interviewer at my company and burnt out

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Re: I'm an interviewer at my company and burnt out

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Post by xenihn »

__turbobrew__ wrote: post #6
not_a_moth wrote: post #2

I don't know, anecdotally, relationships broke down with me and other stakeholders, and I ended up leaving the company, after I pushed hard for an amazing candidate, the first to ever ace my interviews, whereas said other stakeholders wanted a certain diversity candidate, who while I enjoyed meeting didn't do that well. The funny thing is in SF it's the bro-y white guy CEOs who push the wokeness the hardest. Almost f…

How is rejecting a candidate soley based on race not racial discrimination? This is illegal where I live; it is probably why companies never give interview feedback to the interviewees because they make these illegal hiring decisions behind the scenes but then say “it wasn’t a good fit”.

Racial discrimination is a legal concept. There is no racial discrimination if you lack the following:

- evidence

- witnesses who are willing to testify

- legal action

Whether it actually happened or not is irrelevant.

Re: I'm an interviewer at my company and burnt out

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Post by marcinzm »

0xy wrote: post #7

Certain demographics are less inclined towards certain jobs. Does anyone seriously think it's a problem that non-white females are represented at less than 0.1% of deep sea welders? Humans are not all equal in proclivities or even innate abilities. The proposed solution by diversity campaigners is usually some form of discrimination, usually against white and Asian people. An Asian male has a much, much higher bar to…

Most any homogenous group will become discriminatory to outsiders unless effort is taken to prevent it. It varies from subtle to overt but overall makes it very clear to outsiders that they are not one of the group and not really welcome. The group when called out will then usually blame it on the outsiders.

I feel forcing affirmative action is not the right move but claiming the group is blame free or shouldn't change anything is also I feel not right.

Re: I'm an interviewer at my company and burnt out

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Post by xwdv »

not_a_moth wrote: post #2

I don't know, anecdotally, relationships broke down with me and other stakeholders, and I ended up leaving the company, after I pushed hard for an amazing candidate, the first to ever ace my interviews, whereas said other stakeholders wanted a certain diversity candidate, who while I enjoyed meeting didn't do that well. The funny thing is in SF it's the bro-y white guy CEOs who push the wokeness the hardest. Almost f…

People need to learn to be okay with rejecting a diversity candidate in favor of a straight white male sometimes, or even most of the time if that’s the right call. Anecdotally, straight white males do tend to be strong candidates on average because their privileged backgrounds have given them superior preparation for the job.

Unfortunately many company cultures don’t create this space for people to make authentic decisions, everything is viewed through a lens of “Have I built up enough diversity points to favor a straight white male for this particular instance?”

Re: I'm an interviewer at my company and burnt out

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Post by lazyasciiart »

__turbobrew__ wrote: post #6
not_a_moth wrote: post #2

I don't know, anecdotally, relationships broke down with me and other stakeholders, and I ended up leaving the company, after I pushed hard for an amazing candidate, the first to ever ace my interviews, whereas said other stakeholders wanted a certain diversity candidate, who while I enjoyed meeting didn't do that well. The funny thing is in SF it's the bro-y white guy CEOs who push the wokeness the hardest. Almost f…

How is rejecting a candidate soley based on race not racial discrimination? This is illegal where I live; it is probably why companies never give interview feedback to the interviewees because they make these illegal hiring decisions behind the scenes but then say “it wasn’t a good fit”.

> I pushed hard for an amazing candidate, the first to ever ace my interviews, whereas said other stakeholders wanted a certain diversity candidate

Your reading of this comment is "other stakeholders rejected an excellent candidate solely based on race". The actual information given was that the commenter really liked one candidate, and the other stakeholders preferred a different candidate who was somehow "diverse". While I think the commenter probably agrees with your interpretation, it seems equally likely to me that their candidate evaluation was bad, and that the other stakeholders did not use diversity as their sole criteria.

Re: I'm an interviewer at my company and burnt out

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Post by vharuck »

__turbobrew__ wrote: post #6
not_a_moth wrote: post #2

I don't know, anecdotally, relationships broke down with me and other stakeholders, and I ended up leaving the company, after I pushed hard for an amazing candidate, the first to ever ace my interviews, whereas said other stakeholders wanted a certain diversity candidate, who while I enjoyed meeting didn't do that well. The funny thing is in SF it's the bro-y white guy CEOs who push the wokeness the hardest. Almost f…

How is rejecting a candidate soley based on race not racial discrimination? This is illegal where I live; it is probably why companies never give interview feedback to the interviewees because they make these illegal hiring decisions behind the scenes but then say “it wasn’t a good fit”.

Yes, it does technically fit "racial discrimination." However, some people use that simpler term to talk about historic and current power imbalances. In the United States, there were a lot of extra barriers for non-white people. Some still exist, but there's also the self-perpetuating barriers, like how children from poor households are likely to be poor adults. So, if somebody wants to help solve "racial discrimination," being "race blind" would mean letting past wrongs stay wrong.

Re: I'm an interviewer at my company and burnt out

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Post by atlgator »

Minority groups are considered as such for a reason (numbers). Fortune 500 companies are not only investing in D&I efforts to bring those candidates in at top dollar. They are also training unskilled minorities into tech trades. How can your small business compete with that?

Re: I'm an interviewer at my company and burnt out

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Post by ekianjo »

vharuck wrote: post #17
__turbobrew__ wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is rejecting a candidate soley based on race not racial discrimination? This is illegal where I live; it is probably why companies never give interview feedback to the interviewees because they make these illegal hiring decisions behind the scenes but then say “it wasn’t a good fit”.

Yes, it does technically fit "racial discrimination." However, some people use that simpler term to talk about historic and current power imbalances. In the United States, there were a lot of extra barriers for non-white people. Some still exist, but there's also the self-perpetuating barriers, like how children from poor households are likely to be poor adults. So, if somebody wants to help solve "racial discriminat…

Where does education fit in in your assumptions ? Even poor people make it up the social ladder thru education. Most of our ancesters were farmers, and most of them very poor too.
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