We May Never Get to Herd Immunity • Hacker News Board

Re: We May Never Get to Herd Immunity

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Post by aethros » Sat, Feb 06, 2021, 8:07 PM UTC

HenryKissinger wrote: post #7

throwitaway1235 wrote: post #2

Just in relation to the United States, I think we could increase vaccination compliance exponentially if getting vaccinated meant no longer having to wear a mask, social distance etc. Where is the carrot?

Pay people $250 to receive the first dose and another $250 for the second dose. In cash, on site, immediately after you get your shot. Individuals aged 16 and over only. No citizenship test: give the money to undocumented immigrants too, as long as they receive the vaccine. Pay for it with deficit spending.

That will just result in people who are poor trying to fake Identification in order to get vaccinated 3rd, 4th time. Particularly undocumented immigrants, whom aren't in any databases. The side effects of taking several doses is not known, but is probably not super good for you.

Re: We May Never Get to Herd Immunity

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Post by lgg » Sat, Feb 06, 2021, 8:08 PM UTC

throwitaway1235 wrote: post #2

Just in relation to the United States, I think we could increase vaccination compliance exponentially if getting vaccinated meant no longer having to wear a mask, social distance etc. Where is the carrot?

Personally I think not dying of a deadly disease is a pretty good carrot, as is the fact that we get to eventually stop wearing masks, but I accept those are sort of abstract rewards.

Unfortunately the what you are suggesting just isn't feasible. Mask wearing is also still necessary because we don't know if vaccinated people are still carriers. It is entirely possible the R number of a vaccinated person not wearing as mask is higher than the R number of an unvaccinated person wearing a mask.

Honestly, I think we should just pay people to take it.

Re: We May Never Get to Herd Immunity

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Post by throwitaway1235 » Sat, Feb 06, 2021, 8:10 PM UTC

cortesoft wrote: post #4

throwitaway1235 wrote: post #2

Just in relation to the United States, I think we could increase vaccination compliance exponentially if getting vaccinated meant no longer having to wear a mask, social distance etc. Where is the carrot?

Significantly decreasing your chance of catching an awful, potentially fatal, disease is not a carrot?

If I'm allowed to answer honestly and not be accused of "trolling", I don't believe the lethality of Covid-19 is high enough to make vaccination itself a carrot on a societal scale, to solve the question this article outlines.

Re: We May Never Get to Herd Immunity

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Post by newobj » Sat, Feb 06, 2021, 8:11 PM UTC

aethros wrote: post #11

HenryKissinger wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pay people $250 to receive the first dose and another $250 for the second dose. In cash, on site, immediately after you get your shot. Individuals aged 16 and over only. No citizenship test: give the money to undocumented immigrants too, as long as they receive the vaccine. Pay for it with deficit spending.

That will just result in people who are poor trying to fake Identification in order to get vaccinated 3rd, 4th time. Particularly undocumented immigrants, whom aren't in any databases. The side effects of taking several doses is not known, but is probably not super good for you.

Ah, once again "the poors" are the bad actors who ruin it for everyone, eh?

Re: We May Never Get to Herd Immunity

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Post by benjohnson » Sat, Feb 06, 2021, 8:15 PM UTC

newobj wrote: post #14

aethros wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That will just result in people who are poor trying to fake Identification in order to get vaccinated 3rd, 4th time. Particularly undocumented immigrants, whom aren't in any databases. The side effects of taking several doses is not known, but is probably not super good for you.

Ah, once again "the poors" are the bad actors who ruin it for everyone, eh?

It's wise to look at second order effects - it's one of the primary ways you can sperate good policy from virtue signaling.

Re: We May Never Get to Herd Immunity

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Post by thatswrong0 » Sat, Feb 06, 2021, 8:21 PM UTC

swayvil wrote: post #5

Frankly it's our government's response to the "crisis" that's causing the real damage. That and the social-media mob. The internet is a gigantic vector for mental disease. That's the problem here.

So... your hypothesis is that more people are dying from mental health related issues due to the lockdown and ensuing economic problems than from SARS-CoV-2 itself?

I don’t think anyone is denying that the mental health impacts aren’t real, but I’ve seen no data that supports that conclusion

Re: We May Never Get to Herd Immunity

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Post by Capira » Sat, Feb 06, 2021, 8:23 PM UTC

throwitaway1235 wrote: post #2

Just in relation to the United States, I think we could increase vaccination compliance exponentially if getting vaccinated meant no longer having to wear a mask, social distance etc. Where is the carrot?

Carrots for human guinea pigs is a bit misanthropic, no?

Re: We May Never Get to Herd Immunity

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Post by dmosley » Sat, Feb 06, 2021, 8:24 PM UTC

HenryKissinger wrote: post #9

autarch wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where's the stick? How would the US enforce the "get vaccinated or wear a mask" rule? I can't think of any way to do this that isn't massively invasive, and I don't see this as being politically viable in most democratic countries.

Weird. Countries like South Korea and Israel don't need a stick. Their citizens happily volunteer to receive a shot.

When the username screams satire, but the namesake of the username screams eugenicist...

Re: We May Never Get to Herd Immunity

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Post by xboxnolifes » Sat, Feb 06, 2021, 8:27 PM UTC

cortesoft wrote: post #4

throwitaway1235 wrote: post #2

Just in relation to the United States, I think we could increase vaccination compliance exponentially if getting vaccinated meant no longer having to wear a mask, social distance etc. Where is the carrot?

Significantly decreasing your chance of catching an awful, potentially fatal, disease is not a carrot?

My age group is more likely to die die from ass clots from all the sitting inside I'm doing.

Re: We May Never Get to Herd Immunity

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Post by chrismcb » Sat, Feb 06, 2021, 8:28 PM UTC

throwitaway1235 wrote: post #2

Just in relation to the United States, I think we could increase vaccination compliance exponentially if getting vaccinated meant no longer having to wear a mask, social distance etc. Where is the carrot?

There are lots of limitations t giving it the vaccine. The problem is a logistical one, not a carrot one.