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Frustration Is Spreading Faster Than the Vaccine Is

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Re: Frustration Is Spreading Faster Than the Vaccine Is

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Post by SllX »

dehrmann wrote: post #3

I get it, but you've made it 11 months already, case counts are falling rapidly, spring is coming, and people getting vaccinated will drive down new cases even more. Calm down and wait another month or two.

What’s to remain calm about with a State government too busy trying to figure out who it is most fair to inject shots into arms, losing doses in the time it takes to figure it out, rather than getting shots into arms?

Start delivering on demand and the manufacturing supply will take care of itself.

Re: Frustration Is Spreading Faster Than the Vaccine Is

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Post by saiya-jin »

dehrmann wrote: post #3

I get it, but you've made it 11 months already, case counts are falling rapidly, spring is coming, and people getting vaccinated will drive down new cases even more. Calm down and wait another month or two.

To be honest, I get the sentiment. Arrival of vaccines was greeted as huge relief, and months after that, all I see is squabbling of politicians yet again caught completely unaware of realities of life. Companies not delivering what they promised, referring to some small prints in the contracts (which to be fair, were stupid to be signed but I suspect that states either accepted the contracts or didn't get anything). Big pharma industry is after all about making money just like any other, helping people is just a side effect.

Maybe US will quickly get the stuff done, if anybody you guys have the potential, and now also the leadership. But here in Europe, it looks beyond pathetic. Vaccines nowhere, cases stagnant for at at least a month during current lockdowns. My 93 year old grandparents had first jab (this one maybe 30% immunity), second nowhere to be seen, so not much protection. Our friend who works in intensive care in biggest hospital in Switzerland (exactly with all the covid patients on ventilation), wants to protect herself and her family and also get pregnant soon, can't get any.

I expect, and desperately hope that I am wrong, that in 2-3 months, we will be at exactly same place as right now, just more tired and desperate.

Re: Frustration Is Spreading Faster Than the Vaccine Is

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Post by est31 »

ahelwer wrote: post #4

Legitimately humorous how the article associates America's failure with a communist distribution system, when communist countries worldwide have completely knocked their coronavirus response out of the park - so much so that it is considered unfair to compare America's atrocious coronavirus response with these countries instead of its "cohort" of countries failing just as badly, like the UK.

First the communist countries deployed extremely autocratic measures that wouldn't befit free societies. Second, their numbers are far more likely lies than the US ones. These countries are extremely adamant about their public image. That's why they sent police to a doctor's home in Wuhan instead of taking the problem seriously and maybe, you know, stopping international movement to that city.

Re: Frustration Is Spreading Faster Than the Vaccine Is

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Post by Mediterraneo10 »

dehrmann wrote: post #3

I get it, but you've made it 11 months already, case counts are falling rapidly, spring is coming, and people getting vaccinated will drive down new cases even more. Calm down and wait another month or two.

It is hard for people to calm down when some scientific advisers to governments are telling newspapers that social distancing must last until the entire world is vaccinated, to prevent new COVID mutations, so they recommend the status quo until 2024–2026.

Also, governments have handed virtually all authority over lifting lockdown to their health ministers, who generally prioritize saving every possible life above all else. Most of the population will, at some point or another, be willing to accept some number of deaths in order to reopen the economy and freedom of movement, but they legitimately worry that their voices aren't being heard.

Re: Frustration Is Spreading Faster Than the Vaccine Is

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Post by ahelwer »

est31 wrote: post #13
ahelwer wrote: post #4

Legitimately humorous how the article associates America's failure with a communist distribution system, when communist countries worldwide have completely knocked their coronavirus response out of the park - so much so that it is considered unfair to compare America's atrocious coronavirus response with these countries instead of its "cohort" of countries failing just as badly, like the UK.

First the communist countries deployed extremely autocratic measures that wouldn't befit free societies. Second, their numbers are far more likely lies than the US ones. These countries are extremely adamant about their public image. That's why they sent police to a doctor's home in Wuhan instead of taking the problem seriously and maybe, you know, stopping international movement to that city.

This zombie they're lying about their numbers! cope needs to die. Look at Taiwan. Look at Korea. Both of them handled the virus fairly well, with much less extreme measures, and have good relations with the US so you have no reason to doubt their numbers.

Re: Frustration Is Spreading Faster Than the Vaccine Is

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Post by peytn »

ahelwer wrote: post #16
est31 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First the communist countries deployed extremely autocratic measures that wouldn't befit free societies. Second, their numbers are far more likely lies than the US ones. These countries are extremely adamant about their public image. That's why they sent police to a doctor's home in Wuhan instead of taking the problem seriously and maybe, you know, stopping international movement to that city.

This zombie they're lying about their numbers! cope needs to die. Look at Taiwan. Look at Korea. Both of them handled the virus fairly well, with much less extreme measures, and have good relations with the US so you have no reason to doubt their numbers.

One is an island, and the other might as well be an island? I applaud their successes, but a year in, empirically what works in Hawaiʻi and Guam isn’t going to work in Chicago.

Re: Frustration Is Spreading Faster Than the Vaccine Is

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Post by sradman »

Similarly, CBC news reports about Allegations of vaccine queue-jumping at Ontario nursing home [1].

I suspect that we should tone down the outrage over the edge cases (end-of-day left-over doses). The Atlantic article points to the need in the U.S. for a more consistent online queue/registry for timely left-over doses while the CBC piece makes clear that Ontario is way behind the U.S..

Perhaps the concept of continuous improvement should be discussed more widely during these trying times.

[1] https://youtu.be/HL5Ww-YBaDo

Re: Frustration Is Spreading Faster Than the Vaccine Is

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Post by tinus_hn »

ahelwer wrote: post #9
sova wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah yes, just lock people in their apartments against their will and they cannot infect other people, genius

Option one: Pay people to stay home, deliver them supplies & food, call them daily for medical checkup. Three weeks later everyone is free. If community spread is ever detected again, perform a similar citywide lockdown and test everyone (in a city of tens of millions of people) three times. The bureaucrat responsible for overseeing that city is fired. Option two: A year+ of half-assed rolling lockdowns with ever-rec…

Unfortunately option one is the fantasy solution that doesn’t actually work. It has been tried. It doesn’t work.

Re: Frustration Is Spreading Faster Than the Vaccine Is

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Post by SteveNuts »

mchusma wrote: post #5

First Dose First and approving more vaccines are the easiest answer to this question. The prioritization is not working well, for the reasons outlined in this article. However, we can give approximately 4x the rate of people getting 100% protection from ICU/death. First dose first gives you approximately 2x the throughput (all first doses from all vaccine candidates thus far are fully protective from death). Approvin…

How can technology help with this? What percentage of manufactured doses per week are being administered?
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