Intel Fires Back at Apple's M1 Processors with Benchmarks • Hacker News Board

Re: Intel Fires Back at Apple's M1 Processors with Benchmarks

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Post by WoodenChair » Sat, Feb 06, 2021, 4:16 AM UTC

tedk-42 wrote: post #6

Sadly this is intel clutching at whatever it can to prove it's relevant. The real engineering feat of the M1 processor was how quickly it came to market and its performance per watt for real world usage of common web tasks and anything within the Apple ecosystem. As nice as battery life benchmarks are, I know that the Intel CPU will ramp up and chew through it's maximum rated wattage while keeping under it's thermal…

> The real engineering feat of the M1 processor was how quickly it came to market...

Apple has been designing its own processors for 11 years and bought a team to do so that had been doing so for much longer than that. Also, nobody outside Apple knows how long they were working on M1 specifically.

Re: Intel Fires Back at Apple's M1 Processors with Benchmarks

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Post by darkteflon » Sat, Feb 06, 2021, 4:16 AM UTC

I’m a lifelong Intel customer, Intel shareholder, recent seller of an Intel Macbook Pro 15” and current owner of a Ryzen 3700-based tower and two M1 Macs and I find these slides to be comically misleading cherry-picked bullcrap of the first order. Just fyi.

Re: Intel Fires Back at Apple's M1 Processors with Benchmarks

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Post by sitkack » Sat, Feb 06, 2021, 4:17 AM UTC

Why don't they fire back with new processors that don't sht themselves?

Re: Intel Fires Back at Apple's M1 Processors with Benchmarks

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Post by ashtonkem » Sat, Feb 06, 2021, 4:17 AM UTC

totalZero wrote: post #5

"Gaming was a mix, with Intel and Apple trading blows with integrated graphics. But Intel also got a little snarky, placing Apple at 0 frames per second for a number of games that don't currently work on macOS and the M1 CPU." That's actually pretty funny.

Yeah, that’s a pretty good troll on their part.

Re: Intel Fires Back at Apple's M1 Processors with Benchmarks

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Post by function_seven » Sat, Feb 06, 2021, 4:18 AM UTC

AdamJacobMuller wrote: post #9

post_break wrote: post #2

They can benchmark all they want. My M1 macbook pro is silent, even during a facetime or zoom call. The battery lasts more than a day which is incredible, and has never burned my legs while watching a youtube video. Every laptop I've ever owned has been Intel and has never been able to do what this machine can do.

Yeah I really don't understand why a zoom/skype video call absolutely MURDERS the battery on my laptop. It's basically just video playback. How is it so hard on the CPU?

It's also video encoding/compression for your outbound stream. If you're sharing your video on the call, that is.

But wait... I never do. I join Webex calls all the time without enabling my camera, and it still eats 30% of anything available (memory, CPU, my patience, etc.)

So, I guess I'm not sure?

Re: Intel Fires Back at Apple's M1 Processors with Benchmarks

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Post by duskwuff » Sat, Feb 06, 2021, 4:21 AM UTC

ncann wrote: post #3

> Intel claims that the M1 in the MacBook Pro it tested failed eight out of 25 tests it uses, including "Switch to Calendar'' in Outlook, "start video conference" in Zoom, and "Select picture Menu" in PowerPoint. Honestly, what's the point of these office related benchmarks other than marketing nonsense? When has these tasks ever matter performance wise?

That part just sounds like Intel is admitting that their test suite is broken. I'm not sure why they'd mention that in their marketing pitch.

Re: Intel Fires Back at Apple's M1 Processors with Benchmarks

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Post by dis-sys » Sat, Feb 06, 2021, 4:22 AM UTC

Intel is desperate.

Re: Intel Fires Back at Apple's M1 Processors with Benchmarks

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Post by hctaw » Sat, Feb 06, 2021, 4:22 AM UTC

AdamJacobMuller wrote: post #9

post_break wrote: post #2

They can benchmark all they want. My M1 macbook pro is silent, even during a facetime or zoom call. The battery lasts more than a day which is incredible, and has never burned my legs while watching a youtube video. Every laptop I've ever owned has been Intel and has never been able to do what this machine can do.

Yeah I really don't understand why a zoom/skype video call absolutely MURDERS the battery on my laptop. It's basically just video playback. How is it so hard on the CPU?

Audio/video encoding is not cheap and it's questionable whether your device and software support hardware encoding. Decode is expensive too, but has better hardware support (which gives you the illusion that "just" video playback is somehow easy).

It's really one of the most expensive cpu bound tasks in contemporary computing. It's not too different from evaluating CNNs.

Re: Intel Fires Back at Apple's M1 Processors with Benchmarks

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Post by happymellon » Sat, Feb 06, 2021, 4:28 AM UTC

tehjoker wrote: post #10

Isn't Apple's claim about the M1 best performance per watt not best performance overall?

I don't believe so. All materials I saw were for best compared to products in the same market segment.

Without stating what would be considered the market segment. I think that was to dissuade conversations comparing a MacBook Air against a Ryzen desktop and keep the focus on ultra portables where Intel currently rules but their products are completely shit.

Re: Intel Fires Back at Apple's M1 Processors with Benchmarks

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Post by raymondh » Sat, Feb 06, 2021, 4:28 AM UTC

post_break wrote: post #2

They can benchmark all they want. My M1 macbook pro is silent, even during a facetime or zoom call. The battery lasts more than a day which is incredible, and has never burned my legs while watching a youtube video. Every laptop I've ever owned has been Intel and has never been able to do what this machine can do.

Ditto!