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B8ta closing another San Francisco store after armed robbery

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Re: B8ta closing another San Francisco store after armed robbery

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Post by dragonwriter »

tjalfi wrote: post #9
ilamont wrote: post #2

Good for him, standing up for his employees who clearly must be very alarmed. B8ta has stores around the globe, and Norby told SFGATE last month that the crime in San Francisco is unlike anything the company experiences elsewhere. “This actually doesn’t happen anywhere else in the country,” he said. “We have 17 other stores, including three internationally. This just doesn’t happen anywhere else. It’s only here.” Why…

Proposition 47[0] in 2014 substantially reduced the penalties for shoplifting, grand theft, forgery, fraud, and other crimes. Stealing It would be surprising if this didn't lead to a substantial increase in the crime rate. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_California_Proposition_47

> It would be surprising if this didn't lead to a substantial increase in the crime rate.

Probably doesn't make a big difference to San Francisco vs other major West Coast cities, since most of the major West Coast cities are also in California.

Re: B8ta closing another San Francisco store after armed robbery

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Post by stonesweep »

tjalfi wrote: post #9
ilamont wrote: post #2

Good for him, standing up for his employees who clearly must be very alarmed. B8ta has stores around the globe, and Norby told SFGATE last month that the crime in San Francisco is unlike anything the company experiences elsewhere. “This actually doesn’t happen anywhere else in the country,” he said. “We have 17 other stores, including three internationally. This just doesn’t happen anywhere else. It’s only here.” Why…

Proposition 47[0] in 2014 substantially reduced the penalties for shoplifting, grand theft, forgery, fraud, and other crimes. Stealing It would be surprising if this didn't lead to a substantial increase in the crime rate. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_California_Proposition_47

I personally think it leads to this theory which my life experience tends to agree with: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_windows_theory

Re: B8ta closing another San Francisco store after armed robbery

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Post by uoaei »

lol_jono wrote: post #3
ilamont wrote: post #2

Good for him, standing up for his employees who clearly must be very alarmed. B8ta has stores around the globe, and Norby told SFGATE last month that the crime in San Francisco is unlike anything the company experiences elsewhere. “This actually doesn’t happen anywhere else in the country,” he said. “We have 17 other stores, including three internationally. This just doesn’t happen anywhere else. It’s only here.” Why…

lack of response by police and indifference of city residents towards store owners

Lack of response by police is expected, warranted, and even desired if the reason for this lack is that they are neglecting property crimes to prevent violent crimes elsewhere.

Re: B8ta closing another San Francisco store after armed robbery

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Post by uoaei »

stonesweep wrote: post #12
tjalfi wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Proposition 47[0] in 2014 substantially reduced the penalties for shoplifting, grand theft, forgery, fraud, and other crimes. Stealing It would be surprising if this didn't lead to a substantial increase in the crime rate. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_California_Proposition_47

I personally think it leads to this theory which my life experience tends to agree with: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_windows_theory

Broken windows policing doesn't directly address crime rates, it artificially inflates the levels of perceived crime in order to boost police reputation through reported statistics.

Real crime rates have been falling ever since they started measuring it, and there is no demonstrable correlation with increased police presence or strength/brutality of their weapons.

Re: B8ta closing another San Francisco store after armed robbery

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Post by ndiscussion »

uoaei wrote: post #13
lol_jono wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

lack of response by police and indifference of city residents towards store owners

Lack of response by police is expected, warranted, and even desired if the reason for this lack is that they are neglecting property crimes to prevent violent crimes elsewhere.

In my experience, police are more likely to focus on corporate property crimes than violent crime. It seems to be a sick game of incentives gone wrong... the police department just needs to grow, so it needs more money.

So it protects the corporate taxpayer over everyday victims.

Re: B8ta closing another San Francisco store after armed robbery

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Post by proc0 »

hindsightbias wrote: post #8
ilamont wrote: post #2

Good for him, standing up for his employees who clearly must be very alarmed. B8ta has stores around the globe, and Norby told SFGATE last month that the crime in San Francisco is unlike anything the company experiences elsewhere. “This actually doesn’t happen anywhere else in the country,” he said. “We have 17 other stores, including three internationally. This just doesn’t happen anywhere else. It’s only here.” Why…

SF leads in all areas of innovation, including crime. In the Covid era, tourists are not present in the quantities required to sustain various career populations, including criminals. Guns aren’t really necessary in SF, so there may be some gang initiation threshold.

> SF leads in all areas of innovation, including crime.

Not anymore they won't. And you think criminals from outside the city/state don't know that people have no guns there? That's attractive to anyone trying to break the law.

Re: B8ta closing another San Francisco store after armed robbery

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Post by ndiscussion »

tyingq wrote: post #6

I'm not sure how you solve this. They stock products that are smallish, and easily convertible to cash, so robberies are going to happen. The Devialet speaker in the article is a good example. Retails for over $3k, and weighs 12kg.

It's probably impossible for the store to solve it, hence the closing.

This problem is really up to the city to solve, and it doesn't seem the city is interested. Gated communities and all that.

Re: B8ta closing another San Francisco store after armed robbery

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Post by thrill »

uoaei wrote: post #13
lol_jono wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

lack of response by police and indifference of city residents towards store owners

Lack of response by police is expected, warranted, and even desired if the reason for this lack is that they are neglecting property crimes to prevent violent crimes elsewhere.

So armed robbery doesn't qualify as a violent crime in SF now?

Re: B8ta closing another San Francisco store after armed robbery

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Post by proc0 »

lol_jono wrote: post #3
ilamont wrote: post #2

Good for him, standing up for his employees who clearly must be very alarmed. B8ta has stores around the globe, and Norby told SFGATE last month that the crime in San Francisco is unlike anything the company experiences elsewhere. “This actually doesn’t happen anywhere else in the country,” he said. “We have 17 other stores, including three internationally. This just doesn’t happen anywhere else. It’s only here.” Why…

lack of response by police and indifference of city residents towards store owners

It got defunded while the state simultaneously reduced the consequences of a large number of smaller crimes and "quality of life" crimes.

Re: B8ta closing another San Francisco store after armed robbery

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Post by peytn »

uoaei wrote: post #13
lol_jono wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

lack of response by police and indifference of city residents towards store owners

Lack of response by police is expected, warranted, and even desired if the reason for this lack is that they are neglecting property crimes to prevent violent crimes elsewhere.

I believe the crimes in question are muggings and an armed robbery in which a gun was pointed at an employee. It is a stretch to call those strictly property crimes.
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