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Re: The endless browser wars

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My understanding is that chromium can't be run on Windows or Mac. Chrome Canary or some testing variant can but not Chromium. It's hard to consider it a mainstream option in that case for me. EDIT: this is untrue, chromium builds are available for all platforms from chromium.org. Please ignore

>can't be run on windows I'm not sure exactly what you mean by that. chromium.org doesn't offer chroimium builds on their website but there are a number of places you can get someone elses build, for example https://chromium.woolyss.com/ or https://github.com/macchrome/winchrome/tree/master or presumably just build it yourself if you wanted to.

My comment was poorly worded, of course they can be built and run. I just feel like the extra hoops one would have to go through, finding a build or building from source (which is a very power-user use case) would be disqualifying it from being considered a mainstream choice available to the masses.

But yes, that is fair.

Re: The endless browser wars

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Holding strong to Firefox as long as I have to. What really strikes me is why more people aren't pushing for open-source browsers. One would think that it is important to have an element of trust for something that makes up the bulk of your computer's uptime, but perhaps open source is no longer a good indicator of trust for projects as large and complex as modern browsers, or people are willing to trust them anyway.…

If you’re running a closed source operating system (or large parts of it are closed source) why would you be particularly concerned about your browser?

Re: The endless browser wars

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Sync to me is an anti-feature that seems like a privacy nightmare, I especially don't want it to going to an advertising company.

Similarly, the vast majority of new browser APIs are absolute garbage infested with security flaws. Most of them are abused almost exclusively by ad networks, including WASM, Audio Context, Beacon and more.

Re: The endless browser wars

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Holding strong to Firefox as long as I have to. What really strikes me is why more people aren't pushing for open-source browsers. One would think that it is important to have an element of trust for something that makes up the bulk of your computer's uptime, but perhaps open source is no longer a good indicator of trust for projects as large and complex as modern browsers, or people are willing to trust them anyway.…

Apple's webkit is open source as well. All major browsers are based on open source engines. The situation could be much worse.

Re: The endless browser wars

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My understanding is that chromium can't be run on Windows or Mac. Chrome Canary or some testing variant can but not Chromium. It's hard to consider it a mainstream option in that case for me. EDIT: this is untrue, chromium builds are available for all platforms from chromium.org. Please ignore

FWIW, I don't think that is true. https://www.chromium.org/getting-involved/download-chromium

Confirm, just click and run a pre-built package. I recently downloaded Chromium 79 for Mac in order to debug an issue in Tesla's browser which is based on that. Neat.

Re: The endless browser wars

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Holding strong to Firefox as long as I have to. What really strikes me is why more people aren't pushing for open-source browsers. One would think that it is important to have an element of trust for something that makes up the bulk of your computer's uptime, but perhaps open source is no longer a good indicator of trust for projects as large and complex as modern browsers, or people are willing to trust them anyway.…

If you’re running a closed source operating system (or large parts of it are closed source) why would you be particularly concerned about your browser?

Your question doesn't make sense except from a very, very narrow ideological perspective.

It's useful to have an Open Source browser since:

- most of the standards that a browser implements are also open standards

- if it's under a permissive license, you can port it to either your own device, or unsupported devices.

- proprietary browsers are influenced by business goals to do untoward things with regard to privacy and incompatible changes.

- cross-platform abilities. I use Firefox across Mac OS, linux and Windows, though mainly Mac OS.

Source: ex-Netscape,was a member of a well-known browser protocol committee.

Re: The endless browser wars

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Google has become too big as company and has to be broken up by anti-trust rules, along with many other FAANG companies that ballooned up in recent years.

It's laughable that Microsoft was under anti-trust scrutiny when they were much smaller company. The Microsoft anti-trust situation created enough lanes for smaller companies at the time, like Google, Apple, etc. to gain traction.

The situation is the same now, anti-trust rules are in place to promote healthy competition at all levels. All these big companies has to be broken up under anti-trust rules to further competition in technology space.

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