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Is Requiring a College Degree Discrimination? Yes, It Is

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Re: Is Requiring a College Degree Discrimination? Yes, It Is

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Post by tiahura »

vmception wrote: post #4

All three cases by this author are only controversial because we have ignored a greater point: colleges don’t exist to get you a job. They exist for a class of society, a finishing school where they all meet each other and collaborate on the obscure arts that weave the fabric of our reality. It has been this way for a millennium. The workforce started using them en masse 60 years ago and we’ve been trying to patch th…

colleges don’t exist to get you a job. They exist for a class of society, a finishing school where they all meet each other and collaborate on the obscure arts that weave the fabric of our reality.

Not in the US. Harvard was founded in 1636 as a vocational school. The Morrill Act, signed by Lincoln, established the land grant universities. "The mission of these institutions as set forth in the 1862 Act is to focus on the teaching of practical agriculture, science, military science, and engineering (though "without excluding... classical studies") as a response to the industrial revolution and changing social class." Wikipedia.

Woke is tiresome.

Re: Is Requiring a College Degree Discrimination? Yes, It Is

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Post by vcanales »

> I preceded to tell him that it doesn’t matter if you have a college degree anymore to do today’s jobs and that he was basically bragging about his family’s socioeconomic status, not his son’s actual achievements. I tried to elaborate about the inequalities of higher education and why it’s an outdated metric of future success. I explained why employers are absolutely wrong for thinking his son is better than someone without a degree or a degree from a public university.

Massive eye roll. I'm sure everyone clapped after that, and they gave them a free coffee, and hung their portrait on the wall.

Also, it's "proceeded".

Re: Is Requiring a College Degree Discrimination? Yes, It Is

#15

Post by finnthehuman »

im3w1l wrote: post #3

Wow this guy sounds like an asshole.

Starting off bragging about that Starbucks story was comedy gold.

There's a decent chance someone who wanted to convince the guy that his son's degree wasn't as valuable as he thought could make the case. The author had no intention of doing that.

Re: Is Requiring a College Degree Discrimination? Yes, It Is

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Post by 908B64B197 »

klmadfejno wrote: post #8

Author saying “Let me guess… You paid for your son’s education” can fuck off, especially calling the old guy entitled later on. People aren't invalidated by having wealthy parents. The author's reasoning appears to be Wealth implies Education ergo Education implies abuse of wealth. I'd wager most kids at stanford did not get there through special connections. They may have had additional advantages in life that allow…

I'd rephrase that as:

"On top of financing tuition assistance and scholarship programs via the income tax you pay, your son wasn't eligible for these programs so you had to foot the bill yourself for his education"

> And for what its worth, I'd bet heavily on a random student from stanford over a random student from my undergrad being more generally competent at intellectual tasks.

I agree. But keep in mind there are outliers everywhere, and selective schools are quite small. The average at a mega-public school might be bad, but the top 10% might be on-par with a smaller more selective school, quality and number-wise.

Re: Is Requiring a College Degree Discrimination? Yes, It Is

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Post by vmception »

tiahura wrote: post #11
vmception wrote: post #4

All three cases by this author are only controversial because we have ignored a greater point: colleges don’t exist to get you a job. They exist for a class of society, a finishing school where they all meet each other and collaborate on the obscure arts that weave the fabric of our reality. It has been this way for a millennium. The workforce started using them en masse 60 years ago and we’ve been trying to patch th…

colleges don’t exist to get you a job. They exist for a class of society, a finishing school where they all meet each other and collaborate on the obscure arts that weave the fabric of our reality. Not in the US. Harvard was founded in 1636 as a vocational school. The Morrill Act, signed by Lincoln, established the land grant universities. "The mission of these institutions as set forth in the 1862 Act is to focus on…

Something having a mission doesn’t mean it is accomplishing that. The actual rebuttal would be about how well it accomplishes a mission, not chiseling at my phrasing.

Re: Is Requiring a College Degree Discrimination? Yes, It Is

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Post by bzb6 »

vcanales wrote: post #14

> I preceded to tell him that it doesn’t matter if you have a college degree anymore to do today’s jobs and that he was basically bragging about his family’s socioeconomic status, not his son’s actual achievements. I tried to elaborate about the inequalities of higher education and why it’s an outdated metric of future success. I explained why employers are absolutely wrong for thinking his son is better than someone…

> Also, it's "proceeded"

He’d know that if he had a college degree.

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