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Re: Academic media censorship conference censored by YouTube?

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Post by ilaksh »

We use it basically as a public platform but it's really a private one that has deep conflicts of interest.

To me this shows the need for public platforms with open systems for distribution and moderation. Some possible approaches are out there. I hope people will support them. And if they find content they don't like, study the history of political dissent and political speech, and learn about ways of improving open moderation before dismissing open distributed platforms. Because otherwise you get what Google decides you will get.

Re: Academic media censorship conference censored by YouTube?

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Post by pjc50 »

Bizarre. Anyway, I did a quick check of their website, and they have a really interesting list of "censored" stories: https://www.projectcensored.org/category/the-top-25-censored...

(I've not seen any of the usual right wing free speech faction stand up for these...)

Re: Academic media censorship conference censored by YouTube?

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

munk-a wrote: post #7
ladyanita22 wrote: post #3

Many will disagree, but this is the result of holding the plataforms accountable for what the users upload. The traffic is so inmense that they have to resort to shitty algorithms. Because given Google's (any big tech company really) lack of morals, I don't believe they'd care to censor anything at all.

To clarify - you're saying that 10 more hours of a cat dancing to techno was not at all an issue for Google to host but that a conference about media censorship was the straw that broke the camel's back? Also, platforms are famously not accountable for what users upload - that's what makes them platforms and not editors.

No, I don't think that's what ladyanita22 is saying at all.

Re: Academic media censorship conference censored by YouTube?

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Post by doh »

ladyanita22 wrote: post #3

Many will disagree, but this is the result of holding the plataforms accountable for what the users upload. The traffic is so inmense that they have to resort to shitty algorithms. Because given Google's (any big tech company really) lack of morals, I don't believe they'd care to censor anything at all.

Platforms are however not accountable to what users upload (DMCA) and say (Section 230 CDA). This is also not technology issue but more specifically YouTube's approach to everything: do the absolute minimum and when it doesn't work blame it on others.

Re: Academic media censorship conference censored by YouTube?

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Post by idownvoted »

meibo wrote: post #6
ladyanita22 wrote: post #3

Many will disagree, but this is the result of holding the plataforms accountable for what the users upload. The traffic is so inmense that they have to resort to shitty algorithms. Because given Google's (any big tech company really) lack of morals, I don't believe they'd care to censor anything at all.

This is very true and the main point people brought against the EU's article 17(the "upload filter") mandating a scan of all user-generated content for copyrighted material that was put in place by oh so many very well paid(and not just by the EU), conservative MEPs that have no clue about technology. Countries are struggling hard to put this into local law right now since it has to be by July this year - and as it t…

Retroactive Laws, at odds with reality, put into legislation by MEPs who are mostly even less able then their domestic parliament's party-colleagues and whose "consituency" usually doesn't even know who they are – Another example of the inherent flaws of the European Union.

Guess VPN-Serversi within the evil Brexit Kingdom are going to be in high demand.

Re: Academic media censorship conference censored by YouTube?

#16

Post by ttt0 »

pjc50 wrote: post #12

Bizarre. Anyway, I did a quick check of their website, and they have a really interesting list of "censored" stories: https://www.projectcensored.org/category/the-top-25-censored... (I've not seen any of the usual right wing free speech faction stand up for these...)

Completely off-topic, but why did they list only 5 items per page? I sometimes see websites do this and I don't get it, is it for clicks?

Re: Academic media censorship conference censored by YouTube?

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Post by centimeter »

ladyanita22 wrote: post #3

Many will disagree, but this is the result of holding the plataforms accountable for what the users upload. The traffic is so inmense that they have to resort to shitty algorithms. Because given Google's (any big tech company really) lack of morals, I don't believe they'd care to censor anything at all.

> Google's (any big tech company really) lack of morals

Just because the company is amoral doesn't mean that political-moral entryists can't get their hands on the internal levers of power.

Re: Academic media censorship conference censored by YouTube?

#18

Post by travismark »

munk-a wrote: post #7
ladyanita22 wrote: post #3

Many will disagree, but this is the result of holding the plataforms accountable for what the users upload. The traffic is so inmense that they have to resort to shitty algorithms. Because given Google's (any big tech company really) lack of morals, I don't believe they'd care to censor anything at all.

To clarify - you're saying that 10 more hours of a cat dancing to techno was not at all an issue for Google to host but that a conference about media censorship was the straw that broke the camel's back? Also, platforms are famously not accountable for what users upload - that's what makes them platforms and not editors.

legally platforms are often not accountable for what users upload (sec 230), but over the past several years journalists and politicians have been demanding that platforms remove content that said journo-politicians don't like, so in a sense the platforms are made to be accountable - do it or else regulation

Re: Academic media censorship conference censored by YouTube?

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Post by tal8d »

ladyanita22 wrote: post #3

Many will disagree, but this is the result of holding the plataforms accountable for what the users upload. The traffic is so inmense that they have to resort to shitty algorithms. Because given Google's (any big tech company really) lack of morals, I don't believe they'd care to censor anything at all.

Many will disagree, correctly, because the DMCA exists.

Re: Academic media censorship conference censored by YouTube?

#20

Post by AnimalMuppet »

ilaksh wrote: post #11

We use it basically as a public platform but it's really a private one that has deep conflicts of interest. To me this shows the need for public platforms with open systems for distribution and moderation. Some possible approaches are out there. I hope people will support them. And if they find content they don't like, study the history of political dissent and political speech, and learn about ways of improving open…

> To me this shows the need for public platforms with open systems for distribution and moderation.

That's either self-contradictory, or a very interesting idea.

If you want public platforms with moderation, then it's self-contradictory. Once it's moderated, it's not public (for at least some definitions of public).

If you meant "open" to apply to moderation, though... that could be really interesting. Here's a platform, and it's public, that is, anyone can say anything on it. And it's got open moderation. You don't like Google's moderation? Create your own. Those that like yours better than Google's, use yours rather than Google's. Those that like Google's use Google's. Those that like the CCP's moderation use it.

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