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Re: Google Knol is Evil

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post #9

This is so stupid. Pagerank is based on links, Knol has a lot of links, therefore it has good pagerank. Why is that evil? Update: At the moment this comment is moderated -2, and the factually incorrect reply is +4. Nice.

But it takes inbound links from non-knol domains to give it page rank. The point is it shouldn't have been able to bootstrap it's page rank like this.

Re: Google Knol is Evil

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post #9

This is so stupid. Pagerank is based on links, Knol has a lot of links, therefore it has good pagerank. Why is that evil? Update: At the moment this comment is moderated -2, and the factually incorrect reply is +4. Nice.

How many sites/pages have you seen that have received a rank of 5 in a day and appear on the first page of SERPs, often at the top spot? As for number of incoming links, I doubt Knol pages have many from non-Google properties... they've been out there for less than a week.

Re: Google Knol is Evil

#13
post #2

I don't understand the argument. It's google's search engine, if they want to rank certain things higher, why not? If people don't like the result content, they'll go to the competition!

If people don't like the result content, they'll go to the competition!

Ya we can surely go to the competition, but wait there is no competition now. Yahoo has outsourced its search ads to Google, that means they are not very serious about their search and Microsoft is still trying very hard but they can't compete with "Resistance is Futile Google". Early search engines like Wikia, Powerset and Cuil get slammed by "wisom of the crowd" users for unable to match Google results. Show me the competition, i would love to go there.

Re: Google Knol is Evil

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post #11
post #9

This is so stupid. Pagerank is based on links, Knol has a lot of links, therefore it has good pagerank. Why is that evil? Update: At the moment this comment is moderated -2, and the factually incorrect reply is +4. Nice.

But it takes inbound links from non-knol domains to give it page rank. The point is it shouldn't have been able to bootstrap it's page rank like this.

PageRank is computed based on the links in the page graph, not domains. Knol was all over the news, so it has links from a variety of other high-pr sites.

It also ranks high in Yahoo search -- do you believe that they are in on the conspiracy too?

Re: Google Knol is Evil

#15
Is it possible that Knol ranks high because its lives in the Google domain? And that no one touched the algorithm?

I can't imagine Google not understanding that this could happen. Hopefully, they'll speak up soon.

Re: Google Knol is Evil

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post #13
post #2

I don't understand the argument. It's google's search engine, if they want to rank certain things higher, why not? If people don't like the result content, they'll go to the competition!

If people don't like the result content, they'll go to the competition! Ya we can surely go to the competition, but wait there is no competition now. Yahoo has outsourced its search ads to Google, that means they are not very serious about their search and Microsoft is still trying very hard but they can't compete with "Resistance is Futile Google". Early search engines like Wikia, Powerset and Cuil get slammed by "w…

Yahoo is sending contradictory messages, BOSS is very innovative and forward-thinking, but their Google deal pretty much indicates they've packed their bags. Powerset got their payday and is now part of Live. Live is still fighting hard, though they're not there yet. But if you think about it, Live can't really go down much in usage - the people that still use it have got to be pretty loyal! ;) So it can only go up. There is hope, and how ironic that it is from Microsoft.

Google right now is looking so much like Microsoft 10 years ago.

Re: Google Knol is Evil

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post #14
post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But it takes inbound links from non-knol domains to give it page rank. The point is it shouldn't have been able to bootstrap it's page rank like this.

PageRank is computed based on the links in the page graph, not domains. Knol was all over the news, so it has links from a variety of other high-pr sites. It also ranks high in Yahoo search -- do you believe that they are in on the conspiracy too?

That'd certainly put pages linked to from the front knol page up quite high. It does make me wonder what happens when a page changes its outlinks a lot, does pagerank get distributed along the last snapshot or does it amalgamate them. If this is whats driving the high page ranks they'll certainly drop off in time.

To preserve their reputation as an impartial index they should make those front page content links nofollow.

Re: Google Knol is Evil

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post #14
post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But it takes inbound links from non-knol domains to give it page rank. The point is it shouldn't have been able to bootstrap it's page rank like this.

PageRank is computed based on the links in the page graph, not domains. Knol was all over the news, so it has links from a variety of other high-pr sites. It also ranks high in Yahoo search -- do you believe that they are in on the conspiracy too?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=buttermilk+pancakes

http://search.live.com/results.aspx?q=buttermilk+pancakes&#3...

http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0oGkwE.oo5IxRgBQGpXNyoA...

Ranking of the Knol on Buttermilk pancakes:

Google: #4

Yahoo: #34

Live: #55

Re: Google Knol is Evil

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post #18
post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

PageRank is computed based on the links in the page graph, not domains. Knol was all over the news, so it has links from a variety of other high-pr sites. It also ranks high in Yahoo search -- do you believe that they are in on the conspiracy too?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=buttermilk+pancakes http://search.live.com/results.aspx?q=buttermilk+pancakes&#3... http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0oGkwE.oo5IxRgBQGpXNyoA... Ranking of the Knol on Buttermilk pancakes: Google: #4 Yahoo: #34 Live: #55

Google: #2 http://www.google.com/search?q=Pediatric+Sports+Injuries

Yahoo: #1 http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0oGklD1pY5I0hcByd1XNyoA...

I didn't bother searching msn. I'm sure the results vary from query to query, as they do for all sites. The point is that many of these pages are ranking quite high on Yahoo as well. Either you can attribute that to Yahoo being in on Google's evil plan, or you can understand that these pages naturally rank quite high because they are linked to from the front page of a highly linked site that has been all over the news and blogs recently (Knol).

Unfortunately the truth is not as dramatic as these "Google is evil" stories, so people often prefer the later.

Re: Google Knol is Evil

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post #3
post #2

I don't understand the argument. It's google's search engine, if they want to rank certain things higher, why not? If people don't like the result content, they'll go to the competition!

I don't understand the argument. It's Microsoft's operating system, if they want to pre-install certain apps, why not? Google's heading in the same direction as MS. They'll probably end up in the same court room in Washington DC few years from now.

It's Microsoft's operating system, if they want to pre-install certain apps, why not?

There's nothing fundamentally wrong with Microsoft pre-installing apps, just like there is nothing wrong with Apple pre-installing apps on OSX, or Sun on Solaris.

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