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Visa May Add Cryptocurrencies to Its Payments Network, Says CEO

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Re: Visa May Add Cryptocurrencies to Its Payments Network, Says CEO

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Don't trust, verify. It makes sense to Visa since they are in the business of verifying trust. Proof of transaction history (ie credit) is public and inherent to blockchain, apparently this is taking some time to realize.

Isn't the saying "Trust, but verify"

Re: Visa May Add Cryptocurrencies to Its Payments Network, Says CEO

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Don't trust, verify. It makes sense to Visa since they are in the business of verifying trust. Proof of transaction history (ie credit) is public and inherent to blockchain, apparently this is taking some time to realize.

The average person with a Visa credit card has no idea how blockchain works, just like they don't know how traditional payment processors work. Unfortunately, with the amount of bad press constantly generated by media companies that are inherently linked with existing financial systems, people's ideas of crypto are probably overwhelmingly negative. This a great step towards building trust with the public, IMO.

Re: Visa May Add Cryptocurrencies to Its Payments Network, Says CEO

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Great, let’s all accelerate climate change even faster.

I hear this argument a lot and have a genuine question. How does Bitcoin electricity usage compare to something that achieves a similar goal? A good example is gold—many people compare Bitcoin to gold. What are the relative electricity costs of the two, and does that justify the cost of either asset? This would take into account the electricity costs of mining, labor, supply chain, storage, etc.

It's easy to quantify with Bitcoin, less so than gold. Transportation, security, all those things lead to gold being an inefficient store of value. At least with cryptocurrencies, many are being actively worked on that contribute much less to energy expenditure.

Re: Visa May Add Cryptocurrencies to Its Payments Network, Says CEO

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Great, let’s all accelerate climate change even faster.

Electricity can be generated from dirty sources or clean sources.

We are trending towards clean, renewable energy as it gets cheaper. And hopefully taxing/limiting dirty fuels.

Re: Visa May Add Cryptocurrencies to Its Payments Network, Says CEO

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post #8

Don't trust, verify. It makes sense to Visa since they are in the business of verifying trust. Proof of transaction history (ie credit) is public and inherent to blockchain, apparently this is taking some time to realize.

Visa is in the payments business. The US Federal Reserve ("The Fed") is going live with an instant payments service in 2023-2024 [1] [2]. What does that leave Visa with? Hence, the existential crisis (first, trying to buy Plaid, and now "Crypto!").

[1] https://www.frbservices.org/financial-services/fednow/index....

[2] https://corpgov.law.harvard.edu/2020/08/31/fednow-the-federa...

Re: Visa May Add Cryptocurrencies to Its Payments Network, Says CEO

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post #11
post #8

Don't trust, verify. It makes sense to Visa since they are in the business of verifying trust. Proof of transaction history (ie credit) is public and inherent to blockchain, apparently this is taking some time to realize.

Isn't the saying "Trust, but verify"

Yes and its a play on that phrase.

You don't need to trust people on a blockchain, you have to trust the protocol, and then verify the results.

Re: Visa May Add Cryptocurrencies to Its Payments Network, Says CEO

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post #11
post #8

Don't trust, verify. It makes sense to Visa since they are in the business of verifying trust. Proof of transaction history (ie credit) is public and inherent to blockchain, apparently this is taking some time to realize.

Isn't the saying "Trust, but verify"

Yep, the old Russian proverb that’s falsely attributed to Ronald Reagan [1].

Getting back on topic, that’s entirely Visa’s business in being a payments network. When I first heard about Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies, I wondered why Visa/MC/Amex/Discover and even (newer) real estate companies like Redfin weren’t looking at this seriously, since it could hypothetically be used to verify contracts and transactions in a decentralized way.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trust,_but_verify

Re: Visa May Add Cryptocurrencies to Its Payments Network, Says CEO

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post #11
post #8

Don't trust, verify. It makes sense to Visa since they are in the business of verifying trust. Proof of transaction history (ie credit) is public and inherent to blockchain, apparently this is taking some time to realize.

Isn't the saying "Trust, but verify"

"Don't trust, verify" is crypto's slogan.

"Trust, but verify" is Reagan's slogan.

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