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A Day in the Life of Your Data [pdf]

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Re: A Day in the Life of Your Data [pdf]

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Apple products do a lot of things with your data without asking; this seems like farce to me. I'm all for marketing to one's strengths, but Apple products leak so much data (hardware serial numbers, for example) that this sort of marketing strikes me now as actively dishonest. Apple collects just as much data (sometimes more!) as all of these shady data broker types they vilify in the document.

You don't seem terribly interested in providing any evidence to back up these claims.

Re: A Day in the Life of Your Data [pdf]

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Apple knows they're going toe-to-toe with Facebook, and they don't seem to plan to lose.

This feels to me like Apple creating a convenient Orwellian enemy. They're not even competitors, because Apple doesn't have a social network, Facebook doesn't sell computers, and indeed Facebook is currently among the grossing apps in the iOS App Store, 30% of which Apple gets. If Facebook was as terrible as Apple makes them out to be, why would Apple allow Facebook in their App Store and take 30% of the generated re…

Apple gets no revenue from Facebook, their app is free and has no in-app purchases.

Re: A Day in the Life of Your Data [pdf]

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post #4

Apple products do a lot of things with your data without asking; this seems like farce to me. I'm all for marketing to one's strengths, but Apple products leak so much data (hardware serial numbers, for example) that this sort of marketing strikes me now as actively dishonest. Apple collects just as much data (sometimes more!) as all of these shady data broker types they vilify in the document.

Care to share any examples or references of where Apple is being dishonest here?

The Jobs quote on page 2. All iOS devices and all M1 macs maintain a persistent serial-number-linked connection to Apple at all times, even if you don't use iCloud, don't have an Apple ID, don't use FaceTime/iMessage, don't use the App Store, and have analytics turned off. No indication that this is happening is displayed, and there's no way to turn it off.

Your client IP discloses the city the device is in, and the ISP. This means that Apple has a city-level, ISP-level location tracklog of every iOS device and all M1 macs (and possibly intel macs too) by serial number.

You're not asked, you're not even told. This is the exact opposite of their headline founder quote on the first non-title page of the doc.

Re: A Day in the Life of Your Data [pdf]

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The way Apple paints this is that it's them vs. evil Facebook. Don't get me wrong, Facebook has certainly overstepped several times in their data mining practices, but a lot of these changes will almost exclusively hurt small and medium sized businesses that have been able to inexpensively reach target customers for niche and/or local products.

Re: A Day in the Life of Your Data [pdf]

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If ads are just restricted to intent based on page/video/query, small advertisers lose out on effectiveness but is this is a big issue for big advertisers? I have read FB engineers comment on HN that FB has a long tail of advertisers. Is that why they are being more vocal out of all companies? In any case, I personally don't have a problem with ads as a revenue medium for companies, just the expansive data mining, es…

It seems reasonable to me that data collection enables more cost-effective targeting for small businesses. At the same time, it's done involuntarily and has privacy and self-censorship implications. It's likely that reducing user-identified data collection will both be a win for privacy, but also a detriment to the long tail. Of course, when Facebook makes this argument, it seems false, given their long neglect and, indeed, antipathy toward privacy. It also seems false because it uses small businesses to cover for large ones (who probably need less targeting anyway, given their mass-market products.) Tide won't suffer but artisan knitting needles might.

Re: A Day in the Life of Your Data [pdf]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This feels to me like Apple creating a convenient Orwellian enemy. They're not even competitors, because Apple doesn't have a social network, Facebook doesn't sell computers, and indeed Facebook is currently among the grossing apps in the iOS App Store, 30% of which Apple gets. If Facebook was as terrible as Apple makes them out to be, why would Apple allow Facebook in their App Store and take 30% of the generated re…

Apple gets no revenue from Facebook, their app is free and has no in-app purchases.

Please check the App Store before you make obviously false and easily refutable assertions.

Re: A Day in the Life of Your Data [pdf]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Care to share any examples or references of where Apple is being dishonest here?

The Jobs quote on page 2. All iOS devices and all M1 macs maintain a persistent serial-number-linked connection to Apple at all times, even if you don't use iCloud, don't have an Apple ID, don't use FaceTime/iMessage, don't use the App Store, and have analytics turned off. No indication that this is happening is displayed, and there's no way to turn it off. Your client IP discloses the city the device is in, and the…

Again, it would be nice if you presented evidence of your claims.

Re: A Day in the Life of Your Data [pdf]

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Apple knows they're going toe-to-toe with Facebook, and they don't seem to plan to lose.

This feels to me like Apple creating a convenient Orwellian enemy. They're not even competitors, because Apple doesn't have a social network, Facebook doesn't sell computers, and indeed Facebook is currently among the grossing apps in the iOS App Store, 30% of which Apple gets. If Facebook was as terrible as Apple makes them out to be, why would Apple allow Facebook in their App Store and take 30% of the generated re…

> If Facebook was as terrible as Apple makes them out to be,

Where is Apple doing this? Far as I can tell Apple are just saying that people don’t understand how their data is being used, and that companies should educate, and get informed consent.

It’s Facebook that’s demonising Apple here, not the other way around. Other than in direct responses to attacks by Facebook, where has Apple even used Facebook’s name?

Re: A Day in the Life of Your Data [pdf]

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Apple products do a lot of things with your data without asking; this seems like farce to me. I'm all for marketing to one's strengths, but Apple products leak so much data (hardware serial numbers, for example) that this sort of marketing strikes me now as actively dishonest. Apple collects just as much data (sometimes more!) as all of these shady data broker types they vilify in the document.

You don't seem terribly interested in providing any evidence to back up these claims.

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Re: A Day in the Life of Your Data [pdf]

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Note that this article is from 2010, 3 years before Apple joined the NSA's PRISM program approx 6 months after Steve Jobs passed. Jobs reportedly wouldn't go along with it. The data flow is much different now.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants...

How about hardware implants? https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2013/12/30/the-nsa-rep...

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