Russians use Novichok or Polonium because they are signature weapons that signal everyone that Russian intelligence agencies were involved. Polonium is FSB's signature. Novichok is chemical weapon in the hands of military, so G.U. (GRU).
Novichok Nerve Agent Poisoning
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#12Polonium, Dioxin, Novichok. I wonder what they use when they want to be more stealthy about it.
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#13Does anyone have a link to the full text?
https://sci-hub.se/10.1016/S0140-6736(20)32644-1
How many people would willingly return to the lion's den where this happened to them?
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#14If Russia would like to kill people discretely, they would could use various other venom's and poisons. Ricin, for example. Russians use Novichok or Polonium because they are signature weapons that signal everyone that Russian intelligence agencies were involved. Polonium is FSB's signature. Novichok is chemical weapon in the hands of military, so G.U. (GRU).
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#15It's also odd to take the word of "a laboratory of the German armed forces" as some sort of independent source in a clear political conflict.
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#16If Russia would like to kill people discretely, they would could use various other venom's and poisons. Ricin, for example. Russians use Novichok or Polonium because they are signature weapons that signal everyone that Russian intelligence agencies were involved. Polonium is FSB's signature. Novichok is chemical weapon in the hands of military, so G.U. (GRU).
Ricin is easily screened for. Novichok not so much until recently. Who knows how many people they had poisoned we don’t know about. Bellingcat research suggests that a lot. Polonium wouldn’t have been detected if not for some radiology expert who accidentally listened in on some side conversation
Identification of an individual organophosphorus compound is a complex and time-consuming process. [9] In fact, ascertaining the involvement of a novichok agent and its biotransformation products in this case was only achieved several days after establishing the diagnosis of cholinesterase inhibitor poisoning and did not affecttherapeutic decisions.Organophosphorus nerve agents exert the same mechanism of action as do organophosphorus pesti-cides (ie, inhibition of acetylcholinesterase) and clinical management is largely based on experience with organo-phosphorus pesticide poisonings, which still pose a major health burden in southeast Asia, with more than 100000 deaths per year. [10] Clinical diagnosis of organophosphorus poisoning should be straightforward.
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[9] John H, van der Schans MJ, Koller M, et al. Fatal sarin poisoning in Syria 2013: forensic verification within an international laboratory network. Forensic Toxicol 2018; 36: 61–71.
[10] Mew EJ, Padmanathan P, Konradsen F, et al. The global burden of fatal self-poisoning with pesticides 2006–15: systematic review. J Affect Disord 2017; 219: 93–104.
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#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
https://sci-hub.se/10.1016/S0140-6736(20)32644-1
Damn, this is worth a read. Among many other things, the day after poisoning his body temperature was 34 deg C (!) and heart rate only 44 bpm. The poor guy was on a ventilator for 24 days , and would almost certainly have died if not mechanically ventilated within 2 hours. It's downright astonishing that he recovered as well as he did. How many people would willingly return to the lion's den where this happened to th…
Given the poor track record of what intelligence agencies have tagged as "deadliest poison ever" I am not particularly surprised, neither is MoonOfAlabama in that regard
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/09/a-curious-timestamp-in...
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#19The things happening in Russia before the protest on Saturday is dystopian. Police take into custody anyone who is trying to promote it, schools are suddenly open and students are being scared by threats of disqualification if they go outside on that day. I hope this dictatorship ends soon. I wouldn’t want to live in a country where nearly all your taxes get spent on building a palace and enforcing more police and mi…
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#20If Russia would like to kill people discretely, they would could use various other venom's and poisons. Ricin, for example. Russians use Novichok or Polonium because they are signature weapons that signal everyone that Russian intelligence agencies were involved. Polonium is FSB's signature. Novichok is chemical weapon in the hands of military, so G.U. (GRU).
Ricin is easily screened for. Novichok not so much until recently. Who knows how many people they had poisoned we don’t know about. Bellingcat research suggests that a lot. Polonium wouldn’t have been detected if not for some radiology expert who accidentally listened in on some side conversation