You could say the same thing in every month of this year.
Tell HN: Today is the 21st day of the 21st year of the 21st century
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#12Earlier quoted context omitted.
Apparently, pointing out facts is now trolling..
Sorry, I should have been more clear. In 2000 there was a big debate over whether that was the first year of the new century. I sincerely thought that it had been settled long ago. Year 0 never existed (Christ is conventionally born on year 1 [1]), and the first hundred years (first century) go from 1 to 100. The second hundred years (second century) begin in 101, and so on. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_z…
Another way to put it is that we don't number calendar years the way we do birthdays/ages.¹ Which probably accounts for some of the popular confusion here.
Your 23rd birthday is at the end of your 23rd year, and you're "23" from then until the 24th birthday. But you're actually progressing through your 24th year at that point.
Conversely, during the year called "2000" we were in the 2000th year. We completed 2000 years at the end of it. Upon which we started marking progress in the 2001st year.
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¹Gregorian calendar/Western-style birthdays
Re: Tell HN: Today is the 21st day of the 21st year of the 21st century
#13You could say the same thing in every month of this year.
No; this is the 21st day of the year, not the 21st day of some month in the year.
Re: Tell HN: Today is the 21st day of the 21st year of the 21st century
#14Earlier quoted context omitted.
Apparently, pointing out facts is now trolling..
Sorry, I should have been more clear. In 2000 there was a big debate over whether that was the first year of the new century. I sincerely thought that it had been settled long ago. Year 0 never existed (Christ is conventionally born on year 1 [1]), and the first hundred years (first century) go from 1 to 100. The second hundred years (second century) begin in 101, and so on. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_z…
This makes sense. That being said, convention is very useful until it is broken for further optimization and setting better standards. I'm just not sure that a debate over "when it really started" is useful in that specific applications can define the start and end based upon what is needed rather than what is right, wrong, or accepted by convention. One exception to this is that non-specialists or students may learn something from the debate (provided it is public). A more useful debate would be whether or not we should rid ourselves of daylight savings time!
Re: Tell HN: Today is the 21st day of the 21st year of the 21st century
#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sorry, I should have been more clear. In 2000 there was a big debate over whether that was the first year of the new century. I sincerely thought that it had been settled long ago. Year 0 never existed (Christ is conventionally born on year 1 [1]), and the first hundred years (first century) go from 1 to 100. The second hundred years (second century) begin in 101, and so on. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_z…
Another way to put it is that we don't number calendar years the way we do birthdays/ages.¹ Which probably accounts for some of the popular confusion here. Your 23rd birthday is at the end of your 23rd year, and you're "23" from then until the 24th birthday. But you're actually progressing through your 24th year at that point. Conversely, during the year called "2000" we were in the 2000th year. We completed 2000 yea…
This is a good distinction. The Japanese tradition might serve as an example of different aging paradigms (also present in other areas of the world).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Asian_age_reckoning
Re: Tell HN: Today is the 21st day of the 21st year of the 21st century
#16This is all ultimately arbitrary
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#17This is all ultimately arbitrary
Yes but it's fun.
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#19Almost. it’s the 21st day of the 22nd year... 2000 was year 1.
Is it? The first century spanned year 1 to 100 (there was no year zero). So the XX00 year is considered to be part of the preceding century. Thus 2021 is indeed the 21st year of the 21st century.