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DDoS-Guard to forfeit internet space occupied by Parler
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#12These goings-on make me very aware of the fact that I'm still not settled on the matter of free speech. I used to be very pro-free-speech, but on the other hand, I'm anti-fascism, and I don't know what's worse: Giving fascists a platform to spew hate, or set a precedent for potentially limiting my own speech down the line?
It's nowhere near clear-cut, and I'd like to hear some opinions on this.
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#13The real story here I think is how LACNIC handled this. Who in their right mind will do infrastructural internet business in Latin America going forward if some self-righteous American man can cause them to revoke IP:s assigned to your company? There is no indication that this Russian internet provider - who claim they are operating in Belize - had a say in the revocation of this IP space. Looking at the website of D…
It seems pretty cut and dry; DDoS-Guard would need a physical presence there to operate, they didn't, so the IPs were revoked. The phone call was simply a tip to investigate.
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#14Scotland should kick them out as well. Also I find it kind of hilarious how many people who hate Brian Krebs go out of their way to comment on his website. “Free speech” warriors don’t seem to understand freedom to associate or free markets. De-platforming violent extremists works. We should keep doing it. And shame any company willing to work with violent extremists.
Yea anyone we label violent extremists should be completely and utterly deplatformed. Also reported to their employer so they cannot earn money that enables them to commit more violence.
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#15> The pending disruption for DDoS-Guard and Parler comes compliments of Ron Guilmette, a researcher who has made it something of a personal mission to de-platform conspiracy theorist and far-right groups. While this may solve immediate problems (such as the planning of unlawful or otherwise socially harmful events), we should consider the long-term impacts of de-platforming. Does censorship, even if justified, fuel a…
These groups are already generating social conflict. De-platforming ISIS from Twitter and YouTube worked to stop their massive growth of new members through propaganda. There is no reason to believe it won’t also work on American right-wing terrorist and Christian terrorists.
“Capitol Hill Attack Video Shows Rioters Pray With Lifted Hands After Violating Senate Chamber”
https://faithfullymagazine.com/capitol-hill-attack-video-pra...
“How QAnon uses religion to lure unsuspecting Christians”
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/15/us/qanon-religion-churches/in...
“How White Evangelical Christians Fused With Trump Extremism”
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/11/us/how-white-evangelical-...
Edit: Changed “American right-wing and Christian terrorists” to “American right-wing terrorists and Christian terrorists” to remove the ambiguity on whether I mean “American right-wing” as an adjective or a noun (I meant it as an adjective to the noun terrorist.)
Re: DDoS-Guard to forfeit internet space occupied by Parler
#16These goings-on make me very aware of the fact that I'm still not settled on the matter of free speech. I used to be very pro-free-speech, but on the other hand, I'm anti-fascism, and I don't know what's worse: Giving fascists a platform to spew hate, or set a precedent for potentially limiting my own speech down the line? It's nowhere near clear-cut, and I'd like to hear some opinions on this.
If fascism is defined as the merger of corporation and state, does a dominant political party allying with major corporations to suppress a political opponent not ring alarm bells for fascism?
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#17The real story here I think is how LACNIC handled this. Who in their right mind will do infrastructural internet business in Latin America going forward if some self-righteous American man can cause them to revoke IP:s assigned to your company? There is no indication that this Russian internet provider - who claim they are operating in Belize - had a say in the revocation of this IP space. Looking at the website of D…
Why should South American companies do business which overseas firms that lie and simply use them to launder their location instead of open up offices in the country which is what they want in exchange, probably to help with economic development?
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#18These goings-on make me very aware of the fact that I'm still not settled on the matter of free speech. I used to be very pro-free-speech, but on the other hand, I'm anti-fascism, and I don't know what's worse: Giving fascists a platform to spew hate, or set a precedent for potentially limiting my own speech down the line? It's nowhere near clear-cut, and I'd like to hear some opinions on this.
Yeah, the only “free speech” Parler allows for that Facebook/Twitter don’t is racist bigotry + insurrectionist content, so I’m pretty much entirely on the side of “wipe them off the web”
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#19The real story here I think is how LACNIC handled this. Who in their right mind will do infrastructural internet business in Latin America going forward if some self-righteous American man can cause them to revoke IP:s assigned to your company? There is no indication that this Russian internet provider - who claim they are operating in Belize - had a say in the revocation of this IP space. Looking at the website of D…
How did LACNIC handle this? There's almost no information in the article except that it took a few months. It seems you're making a judgement based on speculation that there was no due process or investigation just because the article didn't mention it.
But how would krebs even have visibility on internal LACNIC processes?
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#20These goings-on make me very aware of the fact that I'm still not settled on the matter of free speech. I used to be very pro-free-speech, but on the other hand, I'm anti-fascism, and I don't know what's worse: Giving fascists a platform to spew hate, or set a precedent for potentially limiting my own speech down the line? It's nowhere near clear-cut, and I'd like to hear some opinions on this.
If you only allowed the speech you didn’t have a problem with, then you wouldn’t need the concept of free speech.
On the other hand I hate all fascists too and they are violent terrorists so there is no point in pondering philosophy for their sake.