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The sources of misinformation that thrived in Parler

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Re: The sources of misinformation that thrived in Parler

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> The question we need to be asking is whether we should banish certain ideas to an echo chamber that the rest of us have no incentive to enter, or whether we should allow free expression of all ideas — no matter how repulsive — so rational minds may finally have an opportunity to prevail.

I don't think the person that believes Bill Gates is trying to insert microchips into people is going to listen to rational thought from you or anyone else.

Most normal people don't want to even see this kind of crap in their social feeds. There is just too much other interesting stuff to read on a daily basis. If Twitter doesn't remove this crap and decides to show it to me (because having an audience is a constitutionally protected right or something) I'm leaving Twitter and going somewhere else.

Censorship is a competitive advantage.

Re: The sources of misinformation that thrived in Parler

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> The question we need to be asking is whether we should banish certain ideas to an echo chamber that the rest of us have no incentive to enter, or whether we should allow free expression of all ideas — no matter how repulsive — so rational minds may finally have an opportunity to prevail

Has the free expression of all ideas through current means allowed rational minds to prevail? It seems that the status quo has failed to facilitate rational discussion.

And what sort of metric would we use to evaluate the success of a community to have rational discussion?

Re: The sources of misinformation that thrived in Parler

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post #12

> The question we need to be asking is whether we should banish certain ideas to an echo chamber that the rest of us have no incentive to enter, or whether we should allow free expression of all ideas — no matter how repulsive — so rational minds may finally have an opportunity to prevail Has the free expression of all ideas through current means allowed rational minds to prevail? It seems that the status quo has fai…

Which matters more: rational minds, or truth?

Re: The sources of misinformation that thrived in Parler

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> The question we need to be asking is whether we should banish certain ideas to an echo chamber that the rest of us have no incentive to enter, or whether we should allow free expression of all ideas — no matter how repulsive — so rational minds may finally have an opportunity to prevail. I don't think the person that believes Bill Gates is trying to insert microchips into people is going to listen to rational thoug…

Agreed. I don't have time nor do I want to watch incendiary videos that unnecessary raise my blood pressure and stress me out.

I know what it like to be under such information cycle. You just spiral out of control as you become unmoored from reality. Depression and anxiety sets in, and it get worse and worse until the cycle get disrupted or something really bad happen. In my case, I was able to disrupt the cycle.

Imagine someone more susceptible to conspiracy theories get sucked into such a cycle when youtube video recommend an endless stream.

Re: The sources of misinformation that thrived in Parler

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Executive Summary: “The sources of misinformation that thrived in Parler” are anyone with whom “anonymousdatascientist” disagrees.

I just started posting on the Internet this year after many years of lurking, and I truly don't understand why a handful of people take such a negative tone without even reading what I wrote. Is there something specific you don't agree with?

I read the first paragraph, and the abuse of logic just stopped me from continuing. "Americans have suffered far more during the pandemic than any other country, yet 25% of Americans still believe that the pandemic was planned and executed by powerful people." Why would suffering preclude a particular belief in a particular cause of that suffering? Are "powerful people" disinclined to visit suffering upon Americans? Do you have a particular reason to suspect a particular cause? Do you have a particular reason to doubt other causes?

To be clear: I don't know "the cause". It seems likely that the appearance of the virus is a random natural event, but that likelihood hardly precludes other possibilities. The USA response to this hypothetically natural situation has differed sharply from those of other, seemingly more rational, nations. It seems likely that "powerful people" might have had a hand in that. For instance, their lobbyists ensured that the "CARES Act" provided trillions for rich people, but $1200 for normal citizens.

Re: The sources of misinformation that thrived in Parler

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> The question we need to be asking is whether we should banish certain ideas to an echo chamber that the rest of us have no incentive to enter, or whether we should allow free expression of all ideas — no matter how repulsive — so rational minds may finally have an opportunity to prevail Has the free expression of all ideas through current means allowed rational minds to prevail? It seems that the status quo has fai…

The algorithms are not neutral, nor are front page neutrals. They all optimize for the most popular and often the most incendiary material to show to the people at large. These websites are always choosing something to say.

When a website remove links from the front page or from the algorithm, they are necessarily choosing something else to say, unless they really do run out of content.

Re: The sources of misinformation that thrived in Parler

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post #12

> The question we need to be asking is whether we should banish certain ideas to an echo chamber that the rest of us have no incentive to enter, or whether we should allow free expression of all ideas — no matter how repulsive — so rational minds may finally have an opportunity to prevail Has the free expression of all ideas through current means allowed rational minds to prevail? It seems that the status quo has fai…

Which matters more: rational minds, or truth?

Obviously both are important, but I would at least thing that approaching an issue from a rational mind (not angry, etc.) would help one arrive at truth much more quickly.

Re: The sources of misinformation that thrived in Parler

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>How is it possible for the most modern society in the world, with all the evidence right at our fingertips, to be so misinformed?

well there's two answers to that question. Either the society you're talking about is in fact not the 'most modern' society on the planet, or having evidence at the tip of your fingers doesn't make you more informed.

Spoiler alert, it's both. American society has a knack for conspiracy theories, rugged individualism and responding to expert recommendations with contrarianism. I've seen no other place whose response to climate change is not just mere indifference, but coal rolling.

Secondly, and this is not America's fault, people don't do that well with a surplus of information. Even smart people don't. Experiments have shown that the mathematical intuition of statisticians is not much better than a laypersons, and modern behavioural science has highlighted the extreme cost of choice.

Achen and Bartels in their most recent book have shown that folk theory of democracy is largely a myth. People are not naturally enlightened. Being more engaged and higher educated actually leads people to hold more false opinions on politically charged factual matters. (Highly educated Democrats tend to overestimate how homophobic Republicans are, highly educated republicans are climate deniers more often than working class ones).

Reason is indeed slave to the passions as Hume had already figured out and trying to cure motivated and psychologically biased reasoning with more information is going to make the problem worse, not better.

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