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Re: AWS repeatedly warned Parler about posts urging murder

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Post by _jal »

gfodor wrote: post #3
newacct583 wrote: post #2

Editorialized title. Link is to the response Amazon filed yesterday to Parler's law suit. That said, yeah. I don't know why people are screaming so hard about censorship when the simple truth is that this was an attempt to retroactively apply moderation to a community that had verifiably gotten out of control, at a moment where it was clear that many of these threats were real and not just rhetoric.

There are two things that can be true at the same time: - Amazon was within its legal and ethical rights to do this, and ought to win any court cases, etc. - The aggregate situation of de-platforming of individuals and entire platforms from the Internet by a few unilateral decisions by corporations reveals a power structure we ought to not want (it has always been there, but now it's undeniably shown itself willing a…

On your second point, there will always be power structures. You can't not have them, when considering realistic arrangements made of humans.

So now what?

Is the complaint really that the gatekeepers are different than they were 30 or 100 years ago?

Or that there is no realistic alternative that could have acted, citing some authority you find more agreeable, in an effective timeframe?

Re: AWS repeatedly warned Parler about posts urging murder

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Post by chmod600 »

tshaddox wrote: post #6
gfodor wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are two things that can be true at the same time: - Amazon was within its legal and ethical rights to do this, and ought to win any court cases, etc. - The aggregate situation of de-platforming of individuals and entire platforms from the Internet by a few unilateral decisions by corporations reveals a power structure we ought to not want (it has always been there, but now it's undeniably shown itself willing a…

Is there a feasible plan to obtain better power structures in the same time scales that these people are literally plotting to overthrow governments, murder political opponents, etc.?

Twitter and FB got a lot of credit for the Arab Spring.

Re: AWS repeatedly warned Parler about posts urging murder

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Post by NoOneNew »

newacct583 wrote: post #2

Editorialized title. Link is to the response Amazon filed yesterday to Parler's law suit. That said, yeah. I don't know why people are screaming so hard about censorship when the simple truth is that this was an attempt to retroactively apply moderation to a community that had verifiably gotten out of control, at a moment where it was clear that many of these threats were real and not just rhetoric.

According to this, both Twitter and Facebook use aws: https://www.contino.io/insights/whos-using-aws

There have been a lot of livestreams and general calls of hate and violence on those social media sites from all political spectrums. Where are their bans? That's why theres an uproar.

New York Times, A Genocide Incited on Facebook, With Posts From Myanmar’s Military

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/15/technology/myanmar-facebo...

Pretty sure that can be considered violence. I think I feel that way due to the genocide part. Where's Facebook's ban? Oh wait, that's right, big tech is it's own good ol'boys club.

Re: AWS repeatedly warned Parler about posts urging murder

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Post by shakezula »

49para wrote: post #9

This is why we can't have nice things. Not sure why people insist on posting comments like those identified. If you were publicly identified as making those comments, you would definitely be at risk of losing friends/jobs etc. But that said, Parler isn't alone in their issue with inappropriate comments.

But they would seem to be alone in their refusal to moderate them.

Re: AWS repeatedly warned Parler about posts urging murder

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Post by arenaninja »

nromiun wrote: post #15

I am not on Twitter, but wasn't #HangMikePence trending a few days ago? Isn't it a bit hypocritical when one of the biggest social network is allowed to do the same thing?

It was a hashtag about a video of the DC rioters chanting it. Context matters, and in this context it wasn't hypocritical at all

Source: not on twitter but am familiar with the video

Re: AWS repeatedly warned Parler about posts urging murder

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Post by yoav »

nromiun wrote: post #15

I am not on Twitter, but wasn't #HangMikePence trending a few days ago? Isn't it a bit hypocritical when one of the biggest social network is allowed to do the same thing?

Ya but they deleted that trend and those tweets and users violated the guidelines and were warned, suspended, etc.

Parler refused to do anything about it and built their whole business on being a safe space for people wanting to incite and plan violence. That’s the difference.

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