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Re: Eclipse Orion

#11

Post by Wickk »

lordlarm wrote: post #7

tl;dr of 10 minutes video: - All code uploaded to their orion servers - Import of .zip files - git commit and diff functionality - Try your code with by running webserver username.orion.eclipse.org - Syntax highlighting (at least for js) - Use of JSLint for syntax navigation and error notification - Keyboard bindings as you know them from desktop applications - Handles huge files without any noticable delay (40000 li…

>Personally I believe some things are better of being a desktop application

Pretty much this. Yes, this is interesting, and I'm sure it will garnish a nice user base. But I won't be one of them. There's nothing shown that makes me want to deviate from Vim + plugins to this.

Re: Eclipse Orion

#13

Post by jasonkester »

Nice that they're trying, but it doesn't do even the basic stuff that the last crop of in-browser IDEs did.

  - open the page
  - click to the end of line 15 (inside the try, before the return)
  - hit ENTER

  Expected: caret goes to the same indent level as previous line
  Actual: caret goes to position zero


  - type "obj"
  - hit CTRL+SPACE

  Expected: At least be able to autocomplete symbols from the previous line.
  Actual: Renders a SPACE
In its current form, it's pretty much a TEXTAREA with syntax highlighting. To me, that says they released this to the public way too early. I think I'll check back in next year.

Re: Eclipse Orion

#14

Post by lazylland »

latch wrote: post #8

it's kinda neat..undo doesn't work (in chrome w/mac anyways). Can someone enlighten me with some practical purposes for these sorta things? My imagination isn't working.

So you're visiting your parents for Thanksgiving, and you get a call "LATCH! there's some issue with the thingamajig that we deployed before you left, urgent fixed required or the universe will ... be okay really; but could you please look into this ? I'll make it worth your while."

The only tool you have at your disposal is your mom's ChromeBox, since you decided to "disconnect" for the holidays.

But no fear ! You log in to a familiar, already configured Orion workspace, debug the shiznit out of the issue, save the day and have well deserved turkey-fueled nap ..

Re: Eclipse Orion

#16

Post by civild »

lazylland wrote: post #14
latch wrote: post #8

it's kinda neat..undo doesn't work (in chrome w/mac anyways). Can someone enlighten me with some practical purposes for these sorta things? My imagination isn't working.

So you're visiting your parents for Thanksgiving, and you get a call "LATCH! there's some issue with the thingamajig that we deployed before you left, urgent fixed required or the universe will ... be okay really; but could you please look into this ? I'll make it worth your while." The only tool you have at your disposal is your mom's ChromeBox, since you decided to "disconnect" for the holidays. But no fear ! You l…

Why would you not just remote desktop to your development machine where you have your entire working environment available anyway?

Re: Eclipse Orion

#17

Post by Sandman »

jasonkester wrote: post #13

Nice that they're trying, but it doesn't do even the basic stuff that the last crop of in-browser IDEs did. - open the page - click to the end of line 15 (inside the try, before the return) - hit ENTER Expected: caret goes to the same indent level as previous line Actual: caret goes to position zero - type "obj" - hit CTRL+SPACE Expected: At least be able to autocomplete symbols from the previous line. Actual: Render…

As far as I can see, the project is currently in early incubation phase, so no, it should definitely not be considered ready for actual development. They even say so themselves in the FAQ: http://wiki.eclipse.org/Orion/FAQ#Can_Orion_be_used_for_real...

Re: Eclipse Orion

#18

Post by Flenser »

civild wrote: post #16
lazylland wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you're visiting your parents for Thanksgiving, and you get a call "LATCH! there's some issue with the thingamajig that we deployed before you left, urgent fixed required or the universe will ... be okay really; but could you please look into this ? I'll make it worth your while." The only tool you have at your disposal is your mom's ChromeBox, since you decided to "disconnect" for the holidays. But no fear ! You l…

Why would you not just remote desktop to your development machine where you have your entire working environment available anyway?

Because there was a power cut and your development machine isn't online, or the cleaner pulled the plug on it or maybe the sysadmins decided to change the network settings over the holidays.

Re: Eclipse Orion

#19

Post by Sandman »

fierarul wrote: post #9

Until they add Java support they shouldn't even be using the Eclipse name. I know Eclipse supports other languages, but essentially Eclipse is the biggest Java IDE so announcing this web editor but avoiding Java support feels like they just picked the most easy thing to show off. Syntax highlighting is easy. What I want is a Java editor with code completion, code folding and error highlighting/error stripe. Otherwise…

It seems that you're forgetting that Eclipse is not an IDE. It's a foundation. A foundation, similar in some ways to Apache, that owns many different projects. One of them is the Eclipse IDE. The other is Orion. Now tell me, why shouldn't a foundation named "Eclipse" be using the word "Eclipse" in one of it's own projects?

Edit: To be perfectly fair, Eclipse foundation is itself guilty for this confusion, because if you go to the "downloads" page on their site, you only see downloads for Eclipse IDE. You need to go to the "projects" page to see or download any other project.

Re: Eclipse Orion

#20

Post by Flenser »

latch wrote: post #8

it's kinda neat..undo doesn't work (in chrome w/mac anyways). Can someone enlighten me with some practical purposes for these sorta things? My imagination isn't working.

Think of it as Google Docs for web development. Always available and you can collaborate on it with anyone without them having to set up a development environment or install anything.
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