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Trump’s Twitter Exile Spurs Opposition from Germany, France

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Re: Trump’s Twitter Exile Spurs Opposition from Germany, France

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But don't Germany and France both have actual laws against offensive speech on the internet that allows the government itself to compel social media websites to delete people's content? Their feigned concern over Twitter excercising its 1st Amendment rights seems a bit hypocritical here.

The thing about the law is that it is supposed to be applied universally; it's kinda like some kind of prerequisite for 'justice'.

Re: Trump’s Twitter Exile Spurs Opposition from Germany, France

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The fact that Europeans are standing up for free speech while the United States is not speaks volumes to how things have changed in the US over the last few decades. Have our politics really gone so far down the "Win at all costs! Censor all other opinions!" rabbit hole that speech here is now less free than Europe? Before you parrot the "but.. but... inciting violence" talking point in reply, try to find an actual s…

I think a private business should be able to chose their customers and decline business for any reason A much bigger issue is the fact that public opinion and discourse happens exclusively on private platforms who each have their own interests

I think that they should then be held liable for any harm caused by what they choose to keep.

Re: Trump’s Twitter Exile Spurs Opposition from Germany, France

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The fact that Europeans are standing up for free speech while the United States is not speaks volumes to how things have changed in the US over the last few decades. Have our politics really gone so far down the "Win at all costs! Censor all other opinions!" rabbit hole that speech here is now less free than Europe? Before you parrot the "but.. but... inciting violence" talking point in reply, try to find an actual s…

The first amendment never anticipated the public square to be privately owned. Unfortunately I feel things will have to get much worse before people start listening to the adults in the room again, and enact sensible reforms.

What would sensible reforms looks like in your opinion?

Re: Trump’s Twitter Exile Spurs Opposition from Germany, France

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post #2

The fact that Europeans are standing up for free speech while the United States is not speaks volumes to how things have changed in the US over the last few decades. Have our politics really gone so far down the "Win at all costs! Censor all other opinions!" rabbit hole that speech here is now less free than Europe? Before you parrot the "but.. but... inciting violence" talking point in reply, try to find an actual s…

I think a private business should be able to chose their customers and decline business for any reason A much bigger issue is the fact that public opinion and discourse happens exclusively on private platforms who each have their own interests

"I think a private business should be able to chose their customers and decline business for any reason"

can race or religion be used?

Re: Trump’s Twitter Exile Spurs Opposition from Germany, France

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post #6

But don't Germany and France both have actual laws against offensive speech on the internet that allows the government itself to compel social media websites to delete people's content? Their feigned concern over Twitter excercising its 1st Amendment rights seems a bit hypocritical here.

> German Chancellor Angela Merkel objected to the decisions, saying on Monday that lawmakers should set the rules governing free speech and not private tech companies.

It's the second paragraph of the article.

Re: Trump’s Twitter Exile Spurs Opposition from Germany, France

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post #6

But don't Germany and France both have actual laws against offensive speech on the internet that allows the government itself to compel social media websites to delete people's content? Their feigned concern over Twitter excercising its 1st Amendment rights seems a bit hypocritical here.

That’s the point that you seem to be missing. Europe has controls over speech...and they’re still concerned over what’s happening in the US.

Re: Trump’s Twitter Exile Spurs Opposition from Germany, France

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post #6

But don't Germany and France both have actual laws against offensive speech on the internet that allows the government itself to compel social media websites to delete people's content? Their feigned concern over Twitter excercising its 1st Amendment rights seems a bit hypocritical here.

You could spin that the other way: "wow, even countries that have _actual laws_ against offensive speech think that Twitter's ban of Trump was unreasonable - Twitter must be overreacting to what he actually said."

Re: Trump’s Twitter Exile Spurs Opposition from Germany, France

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The fact that Europeans are standing up for free speech while the United States is not speaks volumes to how things have changed in the US over the last few decades. Have our politics really gone so far down the "Win at all costs! Censor all other opinions!" rabbit hole that speech here is now less free than Europe? Before you parrot the "but.. but... inciting violence" talking point in reply, try to find an actual s…

> German Chancellor Angela Merkel objected to the decisions, saying on Monday that lawmakers should set the rules governing free speech and not private tech companies.

This is not about free speech, this is about who holds the power of regulating it.

Re: Trump’s Twitter Exile Spurs Opposition from Germany, France

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post #2

The fact that Europeans are standing up for free speech while the United States is not speaks volumes to how things have changed in the US over the last few decades. Have our politics really gone so far down the "Win at all costs! Censor all other opinions!" rabbit hole that speech here is now less free than Europe? Before you parrot the "but.. but... inciting violence" talking point in reply, try to find an actual s…

I think a private business should be able to chose their customers and decline business for any reason A much bigger issue is the fact that public opinion and discourse happens exclusively on private platforms who each have their own interests

> I think a private business should be able to chose their customers and decline business for any reason

A private business should not be able to turn down your business because of the color of your skin, your race, your political background, ...

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