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#12Earlier quoted context omitted.
The QAnon folks are no less irrational than any other (pseudo-)religious devotees and should be afforded the same protections under the first amendment.
This is like the millionth time this has been posted on this website in the past few days, but the first amendment applies to the government, not private companies.
the poster you are replying to seems to be arguing that Qanon people should be a protected class under the civil rights act because it's a hokey pseudo religion with prophecies, shamans, and everything. That absolutely does apply to private companies. I don't really know what to make of that as I am not a lawyer, but I'm not making a legal argument but a moral one.
Internet businesses are natural monopolies and being banned from one can ruin your life without trial in a way that was unprecedented for private companies to be able to do in the past. In the near future somebody who is banned from both Paypal and Stripe will be close to being perpetually unbanked in some lines of work. The way progressives have cheered on giving tech companies this much power over our lives has been dispiriting
Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign
#13Just make your own platform bro Just create your own online shop bro Just host your own platform bro Just host your own videos bro Just make your own DDoS protection bro Just make your own ISP bro Just create your own law firm bro Just create our own payment processing bro
If you’re a principled free market conservative, then all of those are valid responses. Welcome to the free market at work! Sometimes market forces work against you but you don’t get to complain about it.
This is what happens when people don't read and just spew stuff. Go read "Wealth of Nations" and see Adam Smith's words about monopolies.
Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign
#14I think our history books do a disservice when they teach McCarthyism by focusing only on the falsely accused-- many Americans really did support the USSR and some even swore an oath to Stallin. The lesson should be that it was still a mistake to take civil liberties away from these people who passionately supported a horrible cause, not that McCarthyists were just bad prosecutors who arrested the wrong people. I bel…
>The lesson should be that it was still a mistake to take civil liberties away
I agree. No one should take Stripe's civil liberties away from them.
Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign
#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is like the millionth time this has been posted on this website in the past few days, but the first amendment applies to the government, not private companies.
the poster you are replying to seems to be arguing that Qanon people should be a protected class under the civil rights act because it's a hokey pseudo religion with prophecies, shamans, and everything. That absolutely does apply to private companies. I don't really know what to make of that as I am not a lawyer, but I'm not making a legal argument but a moral one. Internet businesses are natural monopolies and being…
The first amendment doesn’t prohibit discrimination against protected classes though, that’s an entirely different section of the legal code.
Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign
#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is like the millionth time this has been posted on this website in the past few days, but the first amendment applies to the government, not private companies.
the poster you are replying to seems to be arguing that Qanon people should be a protected class under the civil rights act because it's a hokey pseudo religion with prophecies, shamans, and everything. That absolutely does apply to private companies. I don't really know what to make of that as I am not a lawyer, but I'm not making a legal argument but a moral one. Internet businesses are natural monopolies and being…
>Internet businesses are natural monopolies and being banned from one can ruin your life without trial in a way that was unprecedented for private companies to be able to do in the past.
What solution do you propose? Take away the right of association from one group of people to enable another group?
That seems strange to me. If you allow the government to create a precedent where you can restrict the rights of anyone, then you can restrict the rights of everyone.
That idea makes me very uncomfortable.
Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign
#17I think our history books do a disservice when they teach McCarthyism by focusing only on the falsely accused-- many Americans really did support the USSR and some even swore an oath to Stallin. The lesson should be that it was still a mistake to take civil liberties away from these people who passionately supported a horrible cause, not that McCarthyists were just bad prosecutors who arrested the wrong people. I bel…
>The lesson should be that it was still a mistake to take civil liberties away I agree. No one should take Stripe's civil liberties away from them.
Hollywood is a private business as well. They were within their rights to make a blacklist. And people cheered on big business for protecting them and snitched on their friends to their employers, just like they're doing now
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#18Just make your own platform bro Just create your own online shop bro Just host your own platform bro Just host your own videos bro Just make your own DDoS protection bro Just make your own ISP bro Just create your own law firm bro Just create our own payment processing bro
The trump campaign raised $200 million from soliciting donations to challenge the elections.
Maybe they could have used some of that money to do just that?
There's plenty of money to at least try.
Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign
#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
the poster you are replying to seems to be arguing that Qanon people should be a protected class under the civil rights act because it's a hokey pseudo religion with prophecies, shamans, and everything. That absolutely does apply to private companies. I don't really know what to make of that as I am not a lawyer, but I'm not making a legal argument but a moral one. Internet businesses are natural monopolies and being…
>Internet businesses are natural monopolies and being banned from one can ruin your life without trial in a way that was unprecedented for private companies to be able to do in the past. What solution do you propose? Take away the right of association from one group of people to enable another group? That seems strange to me. If you allow the government to create a precedent where you can restrict the rights of anyon…
What you are saying is word for word the libertarian argument against the civil rights act ("if we have to bake a cake for gay weddings, what if wants a cake for their child bride!"). I happen to disagree with it as it applies in the real world
Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign
#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you’re a principled free market conservative, then all of those are valid responses. Welcome to the free market at work! Sometimes market forces work against you but you don’t get to complain about it.
When all of those happen to you and are supported by the other half of the country are you more likely to try and integrate or secede?
> Just create your own government bro
(I agree with you. The logical conclusions are sad.)