this will further isolate the part of population which need to hear alternative viewpoints the most.
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#12What happens if someone already has the app installed?
Is it removed from their device?
If not will it still be able to receive updates?
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#13Glad I downloaded it yesterday since this was obviously an unrealistic deadline. It’s getting harder and harder to keep tabs on both sides now. Things have really fragmented in the past 24 hours: lots of posts on MeWe, Telegram, Gab, etc, looking for the “best” communication channel.
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#14It was never a fair expectation that Parler would be able to scale up moderation in 24 hours. So this was in effect a rigged deadline, somewhat analogous to a "Performance Improvement Plan".
Sure it was a fair expectation, because that expectation was known before Parler even started up coding any apps. That's always been the rule. No hate speech, no illegal content, no direct threats of violence. Hardly an unfair expecation for Parler to meet those guidelines - the 24h notice seems to just be a kind gesture that wasn't really even necessary from Apple's part.
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#15Still accessible via the web, of course (and from what I understand Parler is a PWA that can be installed to the homescreen).
Until their hosting decides to block them, or my ISP, or several AS’s in the middle decide to block them and there’s no route to them.
The answers, respectively, would be: start your own hosting provider, start your own ISP, deploy your own Internet.
Just to be clear: I’ve never used Parler.
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#16Is there someone closer to the decision making process who could explain this sequence of events? From afar it looks as if all the tech companies coordinated this action, Apple delaying it by a day for optic reasons. I am not as troubled by the decision as some people, but the timing merits examination.
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#17This seems very counter to the whole Net Neutrality movement. If my ISP starts blocking Tor, or charging extra to get to YouTube.
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#18It was never a fair expectation that Parler would be able to scale up moderation in 24 hours. So this was in effect a rigged deadline, somewhat analogous to a "Performance Improvement Plan".
Parler and its issues have existed for a lot longer than 24 hours. This isn't the first time they been told, this is just the first time its resulted in the lost of life.
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#19It must feel pretty surreal to be someone that is constantly moving to different communication apps and instantly finding them pulled by anyone and everyone. We've seen an escalation of this from higher-level platforms (obviously Twitter can ban an account if they desire) to medium-level platforms (I suppose Apple gets to pick what I can do on my own phone even if it feels a bit wrong), but I'm curious if this will a…
> Could this escalate even past low-level companies and result in decentralized, uncensorable, and end-to-end encrypted technologies having action taken against them?
Americans drop a loser like a brick. Taking Parler off the app stores seriously de-legitimizes their cause and their celebrity. If you read Apple's language [1] its very clear Apple believes Parler is operating in extremely bad faith, that they either lack the ability to moderate or are only doing so as a temporary token gesture. This means Parler's user demographic will become more and more full of fringe radical elements that scare off the silent majority less radical crowd.
[1]: "Your response also references a moderation plan “for the time being,” which does not meet the ongoing requirements in Guideline 1.2 – Safety – User Generated content"
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#20It must feel pretty surreal to be someone that is constantly moving to different communication apps and instantly finding them pulled by anyone and everyone. We've seen an escalation of this from higher-level platforms (obviously Twitter can ban an account if they desire) to medium-level platforms (I suppose Apple gets to pick what I can do on my own phone even if it feels a bit wrong), but I'm curious if this will a…
From my understanding of the reasoning behind deplatforming I think there comes a point where it isn’t worth chasing any more.
The aim isn’t to remove the sites entirely, but to make it difficult enough to find that people won’t just stumble across them or seamlessly follow a link to them.
Last I heard Stormfront still exists on Tor and presumably still serves a dedicated audience. But I imagine it has a considerably larger problem attracting new readers than it used to.