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Arrests of Hong Kong democrats shows why EU must reject China investment

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Re: Arrests of Hong Kong democrats shows why EU must reject China investment

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Post by FpUser »

echelon wrote: post #3

If we care at all about our future and the generations to come, we must oppose China at all costs. They extinguish dissent. Not just locally, but abroad. They censor our domestic companies that want a foothold in their market (Disney, Blizzard, the NBA, Apple). We need to stop taking their money, and we need to move manufacturing to Vietnam, India, Mexico, and Africa. Strategic manufacturing (medical and tech) needs…

>"Offer US statehood to Taiwan and build a base there"

>"police the area."

So you basically want to start a process that will most likely lead to a "hot" war. And you of course would not mind countless lives lost as the result on either side.

It is nice to know we have such peaceful and rational thinkers here on HN.

Re: Arrests of Hong Kong democrats shows why EU must reject China investment

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Post by CogitoCogito »

jswizzy wrote: post #2

I imagine Taiwan will be next especially since Biden is a Chinese puppet.

I don't entirely trust Biden when it comes to this, however, you can't really compare Taiwan to Hong Kong. To take Taiwan, China needs to annex an entirely separate country. They can do that through soft influence (pretty sure everyone agrees that's totally a failure), through economic means (Taiwan has been diversifying it's economy so not sure how great that option is anymore), or militarily. Even if other countries were to stay out of it, it would extremely risky for China. They very well could fail. Comparing Taiwan to Hong Kong in this instance really is kind of ludicrous.

Re: Arrests of Hong Kong democrats shows why EU must reject China investment

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Post by CogitoCogito »

FpUser wrote: post #11
echelon wrote: post #3

If we care at all about our future and the generations to come, we must oppose China at all costs. They extinguish dissent. Not just locally, but abroad. They censor our domestic companies that want a foothold in their market (Disney, Blizzard, the NBA, Apple). We need to stop taking their money, and we need to move manufacturing to Vietnam, India, Mexico, and Africa. Strategic manufacturing (medical and tech) needs…

>"Offer US statehood to Taiwan and build a base there" >"police the area." So you basically want to start a process that will most likely lead to a "hot" war. And you of course would not mind countless lives lost as the result on either side. It is nice to know we have such peaceful and rational thinkers here on HN.

I don't agree with statehood, but you could just as well argue that putting a base there is the best way to _avoid_ a war* between China and Taiwan. Doing so could be a _peaceful_ action.

*typo: "way" -> 'war"

Re: Arrests of Hong Kong democrats shows why EU must reject China investment

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Post by greatgirl »

echelon wrote: post #3

If we care at all about our future and the generations to come, we must oppose China at all costs. They extinguish dissent. Not just locally, but abroad. They censor our domestic companies that want a foothold in their market (Disney, Blizzard, the NBA, Apple). We need to stop taking their money, and we need to move manufacturing to Vietnam, India, Mexico, and Africa. Strategic manufacturing (medical and tech) needs…

I am not from the US or from China. I sincerely feel like your opinion is born of propaganda, but not only that, your call to action is itself propaganda.

Re: Arrests of Hong Kong democrats shows why EU must reject China investment

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Post by echelon »

patagonia wrote: post #9
echelon wrote: post #3

If we care at all about our future and the generations to come, we must oppose China at all costs. They extinguish dissent. Not just locally, but abroad. They censor our domestic companies that want a foothold in their market (Disney, Blizzard, the NBA, Apple). We need to stop taking their money, and we need to move manufacturing to Vietnam, India, Mexico, and Africa. Strategic manufacturing (medical and tech) needs…

I don't see this going down the path of "we wind up just like them". I see this going down the path of WW III. What we need is another cold war. Any hot war will be unimaginably costly and drawn out.

> What we need is another cold war.

I agree, but we need to show teeth. We have to shut down their domestic growth engine, crater nationalistic confidence, and make them understand they have no path forward but to concede to international pressures.

The Chinese people deserve freedom and liberty. The Uyghurs and Tibetan people deserve self-determination should they themselves choose it.

Look what playing nice and friendly has gotten us.

Re: Arrests of Hong Kong democrats shows why EU must reject China investment

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Post by mensetmanusman »

patagonia wrote: post #9
echelon wrote: post #3

If we care at all about our future and the generations to come, we must oppose China at all costs. They extinguish dissent. Not just locally, but abroad. They censor our domestic companies that want a foothold in their market (Disney, Blizzard, the NBA, Apple). We need to stop taking their money, and we need to move manufacturing to Vietnam, India, Mexico, and Africa. Strategic manufacturing (medical and tech) needs…

I don't see this going down the path of "we wind up just like them". I see this going down the path of WW III. What we need is another cold war. Any hot war will be unimaginably costly and drawn out.

MAD basically assures no hot war, it will be infrastructural hacks, IP theft, economic warfare, etc. moving forward.

Re: Arrests of Hong Kong democrats shows why EU must reject China investment

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Post by FpUser »

CogitoCogito wrote: post #14
FpUser wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>"Offer US statehood to Taiwan and build a base there" >"police the area." So you basically want to start a process that will most likely lead to a "hot" war. And you of course would not mind countless lives lost as the result on either side. It is nice to know we have such peaceful and rational thinkers here on HN.

I don't agree with statehood, but you could just as well argue that putting a base there is the best way to _avoid_ a war* between China and Taiwan. Doing so could be a _peaceful_ action. *typo: "way" -> 'war"

You can not put a base in a single day. This will be a process which you can not hide from China. You think they'll just swallow it and will not attack Taiwan at the first hint of event? In my opinion it is not a _peaceful_ action but an act of a lunatic who does not give a shit about human lives.

Re: Arrests of Hong Kong democrats shows why EU must reject China investment

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Post by Grimm1 »

greatgirl wrote: post #16
echelon wrote: post #3

If we care at all about our future and the generations to come, we must oppose China at all costs. They extinguish dissent. Not just locally, but abroad. They censor our domestic companies that want a foothold in their market (Disney, Blizzard, the NBA, Apple). We need to stop taking their money, and we need to move manufacturing to Vietnam, India, Mexico, and Africa. Strategic manufacturing (medical and tech) needs…

I am not from the US or from China. I sincerely feel like your opinion is born of propaganda, but not only that, your call to action is itself propaganda.

Sure, doesn't change that China is a threat on an international level. Look at their land projects for instance.
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