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Google vows to fight antipiracy bill even if passed

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Re: Google vows to fight antipiracy bill even if passed

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Probably a PR stunt, but I'm still happy they're going to fight it.

Google does not need that kind of PR.

For hackerdom at least, it's good PR. Consider Sony's case, they might have shut out a large number of talented people by the way they handled the PS3 hacking affair.

Re: Google vows to fight antipiracy bill even if passed

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Ugh.. This article barely mentions the critics of IP. They get mentioned at the very end of the article as "those who believe in the free flow of information, and critics of Protect IP." Meanwhile, the article throws around unsourced 'billions of dollars and thousands of jobs' claims about just how awful it is that intellectual property is violated. I don't know what motive Google has for fighting it, but I'm glad th…

Most of the critics don't have PR guys.

Vested interests at work. They have an economy of scale in the political realm. More often than not, laws are drafted by the lobbyists themselves.

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"Copyright owners have said the legislation has a series of legal checks and balances built in and would be geared only toward pirate sites." Any information on what these 'checks and balances' would be?

Those can be found in the banks and bank accounts of each potential infringer, presumably.

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"Copyright owners have said the legislation has a series of legal checks and balances built in and would be geared only toward pirate sites." Any information on what these 'checks and balances' would be?

You can read the full text of the bill here: http://www.publicknowledge.org/files/docs/Bill-PROTECT-IP-Ac...

Checks and balances are in section 3 (f), which describes how to file a motion to "modify, suspend or vacate" an order if the site removes the offending content or the order turns out to be in error.

Re: Google vows to fight antipiracy bill even if passed

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Ugh.. This article barely mentions the critics of IP. They get mentioned at the very end of the article as "those who believe in the free flow of information, and critics of Protect IP." Meanwhile, the article throws around unsourced 'billions of dollars and thousands of jobs' claims about just how awful it is that intellectual property is violated. I don't know what motive Google has for fighting it, but I'm glad th…

The motive for fighting it is that by crossing the line from "robotic indexer of the web" to "provider of curated search data", Google assumes substantial responsibility for the content of websites outside their control. This is a nightmarish slippery slope situation for them. In my mind, making a person who provides a hyperlink responsible for the content of that link is just insanely wrongheaded and bespeaks a deep…

"This is a nightmarish slippery slope situation for them."

Stronger: This is an existential crisis for them. For as rich as they appear to be and for all the resources they seem to have, the task of curating the web is still an order of magnitude or two larger at least, and for certain strict interpretations of the law, this would simply crush them. And there is no chance that any politician will look at Google and see this, because all the numbers are above the "1, 2, ..., many" threshold for most humans, and the idea that the task is too large for Google will be poo-pooed by politicians if you simply make that engineering argument.

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"Google seems to think it's above America's laws." ... No, it seems to think that particular law is unjust, and as responsible citizens, they are duty-bound to fight it.

Things are not that clear.

Do you know what the revenue sources are for a lot of the pirate movie websites?

Google AdSense.

And for software...

From what I've seen, Google often displays crack sites on the first search page for software. 1st place result for author, 2nd,3rd,4th,5th,6th,7th result for crack sites.

In my own testing, I've found that at least 30% of buyers search for crack 1st, and when they can't find it, then they buy.

Google does this for two reasons:

1. There is significant revenue involved here. 2. There is significant relevancy involved here. As people gladly want to use pirated stuff to get out of paying, and want to see these results.

Google is not fighting for you. They are fighting for themselves.

Re: Google vows to fight antipiracy bill even if passed

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They said this crap about warrantless wiretapping. It won't be used against pirate sites it will be used against sites that express a POV contrary to the administration. Wikileaks is not a 'pirate' site.

When the government asks for something you should not consider how they want to use it, you should consider how they want to abuse the power. The case they trot out is specious and could usually be dealt with via much better ways via existing law.

If these file sharing sites are conducting criminal activities then they should be taken to court and tried according to the laws of the country in which the site operates.

As far as being above America's laws, I think Google's position is clearly within a plain reading of the constitution.

Re: Google vows to fight antipiracy bill even if passed

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"Google seems to think it's above America's laws." ... No, it seems to think that particular law is unjust, and as responsible citizens, they are duty-bound to fight it.

Things are not that clear. Do you know what the revenue sources are for a lot of the pirate movie websites? Google AdSense. And for software... From what I've seen, Google often displays crack sites on the first search page for software. 1st place result for author, 2nd,3rd,4th,5th,6th,7th result for crack sites. In my own testing, I've found that at least 30% of buyers search for crack 1st, and when they can't find…

Google's revenue from pirated movies and software is virtually non-existent. Their real interest is Youtube, considering half it's content probably infringes copyright somewhere.
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