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Re: The future is DotCloud

#11

Post by shykes »

noodle wrote: post #9
lux wrote: post #5

Been developing on DotCloud for a month or two now, and minus a couple very minor hiccups it's been fantastic. Some things I'm really looking forward to though: * Pre-install hooks in addition to their post-install ones (to, for example, move file x, push update, move it back) * Some kind of admin panel with usage monitoring * Pricing announcement (would help to plan for the future, since I plan on deploying with Dot…

pricing is my major concern and the only reason i'm not throwing sites onto dotcloud. i don't want to migrate stuff to dotcloud and then have to migrate it back again if pricing doesn't work for me.

We're taking pricing very seriously. The status quo of platform pricing is not good enough, and we want to fix that.

Expect an announcement soon.

Re: The future is DotCloud

#12

Post by shykes »

Dornkirk wrote: post #7
shykes wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's a little help: http://www.dotcloud.com/account/create ZBWGFX F2OQgg tTNdfA 0GjuwZ RYC40X 1h9oUs VloaKt r4o8H5 Cwm0sR mREz36 7VBnQ5 E3nt4a DVA5qe jcG9as rL4pu2 fLRYzO AGx29j cXuQ4X PoHOEe gPhyLx Remember: we love feedback!

all invalid :(

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Re: The future is DotCloud

#13

Post by shykes »

steverb wrote: post #10
mrkurt wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

VMWare's Cloud Foundry is open source and most similar to Heroku/DotCloud.

Very cool. Thanks!

Here's a funny story. DotCloud's early prototypes were in fact very similar to Cloud Foundry's "paas-in-a-box" project. We even open-sourced large chunks of it.

We eventually had to drop that design because, beyond a certain scale, it gets in the way of the user experience - in a major way. I think all major PaaS providers will agree with me.

You have to chose your priorities. Ours is to make developer's lives easier. We axe everything else.

Re: The future is DotCloud

#14

Post by danielsoneg »

shykes wrote: post #12
Dornkirk wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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tcgyJc «- Just used this one. Didn't expect the first on the list to be free.

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And Thanks! Looks like an awesome service - taking it for a spin…

Re: The future is DotCloud

#15

Post by timf »

shykes wrote: post #13
steverb wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very cool. Thanks!

Here's a funny story. DotCloud's early prototypes were in fact very similar to Cloud Foundry's "paas-in-a-box" project. We even open-sourced large chunks of it. We eventually had to drop that design because, beyond a certain scale, it gets in the way of the user experience - in a major way. I think all major PaaS providers will agree with me. You have to chose your priorities. Ours is to make developer's lives easier…

I don't understand, what exactly got in the way of user experience?

Re: The future is DotCloud

#16

Post by shykes »

timf wrote: post #15
shykes wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's a funny story. DotCloud's early prototypes were in fact very similar to Cloud Foundry's "paas-in-a-box" project. We even open-sourced large chunks of it. We eventually had to drop that design because, beyond a certain scale, it gets in the way of the user experience - in a major way. I think all major PaaS providers will agree with me. You have to chose your priorities. Ours is to make developer's lives easier…

I don't understand, what exactly got in the way of user experience?

Lack of focus.

Who's your customer, the guy using your service, or the guy installing your appliance?

Think of the difference between Google.com and the Google search appliance. One profoundly changed how people interact with the Internet. The other is an extra feature which came years later. What would the World look like today if Sergei and Larry had started with the search appliance?

Re: The future is DotCloud

#17

Post by sawyer »

The problem with PaaS and cloud hosting in general is price. Most experienced hackers are used to managing hardware, so why not stick with dedicated or colo and retain affordable scalability?

Re: The future is DotCloud

#18

Post by tripa »

shykes wrote: post #3
tomasdev wrote: post #2

:D DotCloud FTW, the point is it takes so long to get approved for an account.

Here's a little help: http://www.dotcloud.com/account/create ZBWGFX F2OQgg tTNdfA 0GjuwZ RYC40X 1h9oUs VloaKt r4o8H5 Cwm0sR mREz36 7VBnQ5 E3nt4a DVA5qe jcG9as rL4pu2 fLRYzO AGx29j cXuQ4X PoHOEe gPhyLx Remember: we love feedback!

Here's a quick "complaint" feedback about the signup process, then: don't erase my strong password I took 15s to type in (twice) if you reject my invitation code and I have to find another one. It's a strong incitation to use a weak but easy-to-type password instead.

(not really a problem to me just yet, but it resonates wrong with the password strength warning on the same page)

Re: The future is DotCloud

#19

Post by timf »

shykes wrote: post #16
timf wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand, what exactly got in the way of user experience?

Lack of focus. Who's your customer, the guy using your service, or the guy installing your appliance? Think of the difference between Google.com and the Google search appliance. One profoundly changed how people interact with the Internet. The other is an extra feature which came years later. What would the World look like today if Sergei and Larry had started with the search appliance?

I don't think that's a choice VMware needs to make, they're not a cash-strapped startup anymore.

Their customers are both developers and admins, and they seem to be able to focus on both so far IMO.

The developer highly benefits from a good (and not to mention free) admin experience anyhow, it allows for private development systems, scale/attack experiments, more portability, etc.

Re: The future is DotCloud

#20

Post by hboon »

sawyer wrote: post #17

The problem with PaaS and cloud hosting in general is price. Most experienced hackers are used to managing hardware, so why not stick with dedicated or colo and retain affordable scalability?

Because in return, they reduce mental load and time costs.
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