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Erdoğan’s censorship now targeting media outlets in Europe

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Re: Erdoğan’s censorship now targeting media outlets in Europe

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Post by theemptiness »

At some points, a company (any company) has to assume a legal system. When the legal system does not work well - be it, because the laws require censorship, or be it because not everyone can effectively fight for their rights in the courts - this will lead to problems and injustice.

It seems, Turkey is not the only place where it's tough to get copyright claims sorted out in court, but the claim is that the (assumed) legal means are leveraged for going after political opponents.

The EU will have to understand that freedom of speech and the legal framework of copyright claims can be at odds and can be abused in this way. This isn't going to be easy, but leaving it to private companies to come up with something will likely not produce the desired outcome as they will all eventually go the path of least resistance and profitability (it's in general not a private company's job to defend values and reform the legal situation).

Re: Erdoğan’s censorship now targeting media outlets in Europe

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Post by metroholografix »

siculars wrote: post #2

Really looking forward to see how the EU respond here with Turkey vs, say, China or Google or FB. It's just interesting to me how values change depending on whom you're talking to.

It's telling that only an outgoing US administration decided to -weakly- sanction Turkey over the Russian missile fiasco.

The European Union looks more and more like a banking cartel than a federation of nation states. Germany and Spain, that vehemently opposed sanctions in the last eurogroup, are doing good business selling weapons to Turkey. Weapons, that are then used by Turkey to openly threaten Greece and Cyprus. There was a slight concession in 2019, with a temporary stop on new contracts being awarded, but that obviously did not affect existing ones.

Re: Erdoğan’s censorship now targeting media outlets in Europe

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Post by foolmeonce »

Tomte wrote: post #6
Alupis wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Erdogan has been a loose canon for a long time, and I suspect is only tolerated because of Turkey's precarious NATO membership.

No, because the EU's refugee deal with Turkey is paramount. Without it there are more refugees in Germany (and other "core" EU countries), and the tense political atmosphere tips over.

Yes, but given past issues, the German government response is most likely to push/penalize Youtube into no longer helping Erdogan while ignoring any direct confrontation. Yet another YouTube ban in Turkey should work for almost everyone.

Re: Erdoğan’s censorship now targeting media outlets in Europe

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Post by systemvoltage »

Tomte wrote: post #6
Alupis wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Erdogan has been a loose canon for a long time, and I suspect is only tolerated because of Turkey's precarious NATO membership.

No, because the EU's refugee deal with Turkey is paramount. Without it there are more refugees in Germany (and other "core" EU countries), and the tense political atmosphere tips over.

Why aren't neighboring countries like Saudi Arabia, UAE, Iran, Ethiopia, etc. taking in 100% of the refugees? Can someone shed some light about refugee situation around NATO/EU? While humanitarian aspects must be taken care of, I only see refugee situation in Germany as a negative thing. It brings nothing to the country, and in fact brings other nonsense such as religious fundamentalism. These people are not going to assimilate into German culture.

Edit: I know you’re downvoting based on political stance. Would be great if we can engage in a discussion. Could you share your thoughts please?

Re: Erdoğan’s censorship now targeting media outlets in Europe

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Post by planetis »

planetis wrote: post #10

After spending the last year reading about constant warmongering and provocations against my country, with military units on combat alert even on holidays, I only have to say democracy should be reinstated in Turkey and I hope the circumstances can not detriment the friendship and common heritage of Turkish and Greek people.

And also someone should care about the Syrian refugees, these people are being used as a pawn to make demands and their rights are violated.

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Post by krastanov »

planetis wrote: post #10

After spending the last year reading about constant warmongering and provocations against my country, with military units on combat alert even on holidays, I only have to say democracy should be reinstated in Turkey and I hope the circumstances can not detriment the friendship and common heritage of Turkish and Greek people.

I appreciate you saying that. I am from the Balkans but from neither of these two countries and I was wondering whether you would say most of the people around you share your view. It is heartwarming to see humanist messages like yours, but I have the impression that much bigger part of the Balkans expresses more jingoistic nationalistic and xenophobic views.

Re: Erdoğan’s censorship now targeting media outlets in Europe

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Post by [deleted] »

Tomte wrote: post #6
Alupis wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Erdogan has been a loose canon for a long time, and I suspect is only tolerated because of Turkey's precarious NATO membership.

No, because the EU's refugee deal with Turkey is paramount. Without it there are more refugees in Germany (and other "core" EU countries), and the tense political atmosphere tips over.

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Re: Erdoğan’s censorship now targeting media outlets in Europe

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Post by xxpor »

systemvoltage wrote: post #14
Tomte wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, because the EU's refugee deal with Turkey is paramount. Without it there are more refugees in Germany (and other "core" EU countries), and the tense political atmosphere tips over.

Why aren't neighboring countries like Saudi Arabia, UAE, Iran, Ethiopia, etc. taking in 100% of the refugees? Can someone shed some light about refugee situation around NATO/EU? While humanitarian aspects must be taken care of, I only see refugee situation in Germany as a negative thing. It brings nothing to the country, and in fact brings other nonsense such as religious fundamentalism. These people are not going to…

That's the same thing people said about the Gastarbeiter in the 70s.
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