I find it a little concerning that the car is allowed to drive in autopilot with the seats reclined. I thought there were warnings for taking your hands off the steering wheel? I suppose they can be ignored. But full recline is a bit OTT.
Man accused of dangerous driving for sleeping in self-driving, speeding Tesla
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Re: Man accused of dangerous driving for sleeping in self-driving, speeding Tesla
#12> “They are not self-driving systems,” said Supt. Gary Graham of Alberta RCMP Traffic Services. > “These technologies assist drivers, but do not replace them,” said the statement from the federal institution responsible for transportation policies and programs ... > Tesla’s website states, “All new Tesla cars come standard with advanced hardware capable of providing Autopilot features today, and full self-driving cap…
So people keep claiming, but I've yet to see a single example of an actual Tesla owner who was confused about this.
The person in this story wasn't confused and didn't even attempt a defense that Tesla had mislead them.
Re: Man accused of dangerous driving for sleeping in self-driving, speeding Tesla
#13Curious: Why would the Tesla be speeding, since it was in “autopilot” mode? Wouldn’t it know about the speed limits? Or dis the driver set on cruise control first?
You can happily set the autopilot speed to above the speed limit. There are a few gotchas and it won’t always let you, but in general, it is fine. I normally set it to 10% higher than the posted speed limit as an example.
You intentionally wish to drive 10% higher than the speed limit..
So, you desire to be in car crash? Also one at faster speeds and therefore exponentially more deadly?
Everyone has to use public roads, not just you. You are endangering all other diligent road users with your behavior, not just yourself.
Re: Man accused of dangerous driving for sleeping in self-driving, speeding Tesla
#14I’m a huge fan of Elon Musk so take this with a grain of salt, but the company has totally misled and overhyped the self driving feature. It’s almost like a wink and a nod, giving people a false perception, and that’s wrong.
Under a new proposal from the UK‘s Law Commission, the “user in charge” of the vehicle would not be prosecuted for careless or dangerous driving, speeding, or breaking red lights when the car was in self-driving mode, the Telegraph reports.
The Law Commission instead suggests that responsibility should fall on the developer or manufacturer of the hardware that enables self-driving functions on the vehicle.
see https://thenextweb.com/shift/2020/12/18/autonomous-vehicle-m...
Re: Man accused of dangerous driving for sleeping in self-driving, speeding Tesla
#15I’m a huge fan of Elon Musk so take this with a grain of salt, but the company has totally misled and overhyped the self driving feature. It’s almost like a wink and a nod, giving people a false perception, and that’s wrong.
Meanwhile, stock go brrr and world go round.
Empirically, you’re absolutely right, except that it’s not wrong.
I’ve come to terms with it. How long are we going to bleat about morals while the world ignores it?
I’m asking genuinely, for what it’s worth. It’s one of the central questions I’ve faced. What are your morals worth? Why cling to them? It feels good to call out Tesla as immoral, but both legally and practically this seems to be mistaken.
Re: Man accused of dangerous driving for sleeping in self-driving, speeding Tesla
#16"Witnesses claim the man behind the wheel and his passenger were asleep with their seats fully reclined, as their Tesla travelled up to 150 km/h on the freeway near Ponoka..." Given this and the man's other past incidents, the Tesla was only a minor contributing factor in the guy's global stupidity and danger that he inflicts on the world daily? Edit: Btw, what would be the end accident scenario here? Presuming that…
Tesla's have crashed and obliterated their owners, even right here in California on major highways on the way to their Silicon Valley office park.
Alarmed engineers taking the exact same route to reproduce the bug successfully.
Re: Man accused of dangerous driving for sleeping in self-driving, speeding Tesla
#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
You can happily set the autopilot speed to above the speed limit. There are a few gotchas and it won’t always let you, but in general, it is fine. I normally set it to 10% higher than the posted speed limit as an example.
You intentionally wish to drive 10% higher than the speed limit.. So, you desire to be in car crash? Also one at faster speeds and therefore exponentially more deadly? Everyone has to use public roads, not just you. You are endangering all other diligent road users with your behavior, not just yourself.
Here in Seattle, in the absence of traffic forcing slower speeds, most people are going ~10mph over the speed limit. On the freeway, although the speed limit is 60mph most people will be going about 70mph. If you use Tesla's autopilot it will match the speed of the car in front of you, up to the maximum specified by the "speed limit". So I usually set the speed limit to something like 75mph so that the car follows the flow of the traffic around it, instead of forcing other drivers to swerve around me because I am going 10mph slower than everyone else.
Re: Man accused of dangerous driving for sleeping in self-driving, speeding Tesla
#18I’m a huge fan of Elon Musk so take this with a grain of salt, but the company has totally misled and overhyped the self driving feature. It’s almost like a wink and a nod, giving people a false perception, and that’s wrong.
Under a new proposal from the UK‘s Law Commission, the “user in charge” of the vehicle would not be prosecuted for careless or dangerous driving, speeding, or breaking red lights when the car was in self-driving mode, the Telegraph reports. The Law Commission instead suggests that responsibility should fall on the developer or manufacturer of the hardware that enables self-driving functions on the vehicle. see https:…
Tesla doesn't have self-driving though..
Re: Man accused of dangerous driving for sleeping in self-driving, speeding Tesla
#19"Witnesses claim the man behind the wheel and his passenger were asleep with their seats fully reclined, as their Tesla travelled up to 150 km/h on the freeway near Ponoka..." Given this and the man's other past incidents, the Tesla was only a minor contributing factor in the guy's global stupidity and danger that he inflicts on the world daily? Edit: Btw, what would be the end accident scenario here? Presuming that…
"Presuming that the car wouldn't hit any other car on the road" - it absolutely would though. The tech is good enough to avoid hitting another car that slows down in front of you, but if someone was broken down(and fully stopped) in your lane, the car will hit them at full speed. It might start breaking just before impact, but not fast enough to slow you down from 150km/h. No self driving or adaptive cruise tech can save you from this situation, because they are all trained to ignore fully stationary objects. I've also seen situations where road markings disappear on the road for whatever reason and Tesla goes from being 100% confident and in control to "take over the wheel NOW" in about 1 second flat. Best case scenario here is that the car would eventually realize that you aren't in control and come to a gradual stop - the problem there is that now he is fully stopped on an active highway and chances of getting plowed from the rear are astronomical.
I think the biggest problem with all of these self driving systems is that in cars they can require you to be fully 100% aware of your surroundings and take over in a split second. People compare it to plane autopilot, but I don't think that's quite right - in a plane, you will have at least a minute or two before you hit the ground, even if the plane takes a straight nose dive. In a car, you go from being fine to being headed for a head-on collision in no time at all.
Re: Man accused of dangerous driving for sleeping in self-driving, speeding Tesla
#20x (40?) years from now:
12-car accident triggered by manual mode
defense attorneys stated a poor decision due to fatigue, while prosecutors provided evidence that the driver had taken a 25-minute power nap, woke up and performed well in a class she was taking, and then proceeded to override the autonomous vehicle system in a manner which showed specific and malicious intent to cause the accident.