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“I took FSFE to court. This is my story”

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Re: “I took FSFE to court. This is my story”

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Post by notimetorelax »

londons_explore wrote: post #9

Operations like the FSF have a single goal - to promote Free Software. If they can also promote equality at the same time, then great. But the goal of promoting equality and free software are not equal - free software is the primary goal. If the organisation is acting illegally , then it's a matter for the police. But if the organisation is focussing on it's primary goal rather than a 2ndary goal you think is more im…

I believe donors have certain baseline expectations towards the organizations those days. Showing up at employee’s home after being told by her lawyer not to, is such a HUGE no-no, it borders on abuse.

Re: “I took FSFE to court. This is my story”

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Post by Normal_gaussian »

Does anyone know where I can find any relevant court documents? Specifically the "The court basically says that even though they recognise my claims as true [...]".

If the court claim is affirming of her claims, and her story stands up, this is worth carrying forwards.

There are few organisations that can successfully promote and defend free software, for one of the major ones to be headed by a person who behaves like described is incredibly concerning - what other lies and manipulations does he partake in?

Re: “I took FSFE to court. This is my story”

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Post by mabbo »

londons_explore wrote: post #9

Operations like the FSF have a single goal - to promote Free Software. If they can also promote equality at the same time, then great. But the goal of promoting equality and free software are not equal - free software is the primary goal. If the organisation is acting illegally , then it's a matter for the police. But if the organisation is focussing on it's primary goal rather than a 2ndary goal you think is more im…

That is the lamest excuse I have ever heard.

If my organizations goal is feeding the homeless, am I free to only hire white people because racism is not my organization's primary goal?

You can achieve your organisation's primary goal without being horrible human beings. That's allowed. In fact, it's basic human decency.

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Post by detaro »

londons_explore wrote: post #9

Operations like the FSF have a single goal - to promote Free Software. If they can also promote equality at the same time, then great. But the goal of promoting equality and free software are not equal - free software is the primary goal. If the organisation is acting illegally , then it's a matter for the police. But if the organisation is focussing on it's primary goal rather than a 2ndary goal you think is more im…

Having a different primary goal than "act ethically" does not excuse unethical and illegal behavior.

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Post by paganel »

ognarb wrote: post #4

> we both felt secure that the free software movement is progressive, and cares about being inclusive and equal opportunities oriented. Unfortunately it has been proved very often that this is not true. This is not the first case of racism and sexisme in FOSS and probably won't.

> This is not the first case of racism and sexisme in FOSS and probably won't.

The fish rots from the head down, and apart from Stallman (which is mentioned in the article) I for myself would personally add Torvalds to that same conversation (even though with a little less overt sexism, but definitely with more bullying).

But because Torvalds's project has had an incredible ROI, i.e. it has made lots of people lots of money (heck, I for myself only started learning Python 17 years ago because I had a Linux distro easily at hand) his position is pretty much safe for the time being.

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Post by bignermo »

How about writing about how fathers are utterly discriminated in Germany with little to no rights at all for their children? How about you write how much a husband has to pay monthly to support a female which chooses not to work anymore after separation? How about writing about the suicides committed by fathers in Germany and stop this gender biased crap? How about I tell you how German courts discriminate men, especially foreigners, convicting them without evidence and taking female's word to be of more weight than that of a man?

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Post by GrumpyNl »

Cenk wrote: post #10

> A female colleague and me had dared to discuss wage transparency and gender pay gap in the office. […] Our boss Matthias was beyond furious. After that office meeting, he told my colleague “there will be consequences”. Under German law you are not only allowed to talk about your salary with your colleagues, it is expressly illegal for your employer to try and stop you from doing this. I’m surprised a German boss wo…

That makes no sense, "Under German law you are not only allowed to talk about your salary with your colleagues" and " it is expressly illegal for your employer to try and stop you from doing this", So its illegal to talk about it, but when you do its illegal for your employer to stop this?

Re: “I took FSFE to court. This is my story”

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Post by Andrew_nenakhov »

Cenk wrote: post #10

> A female colleague and me had dared to discuss wage transparency and gender pay gap in the office. […] Our boss Matthias was beyond furious. After that office meeting, he told my colleague “there will be consequences”. Under German law you are not only allowed to talk about your salary with your colleagues, it is expressly illegal for your employer to try and stop you from doing this. I’m surprised a German boss wo…

> I’m surprised a German boss would warn of “consequences” for doing that

It's only a statement from one side. This can be 100% false, because people lie, often.

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