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Setting up your own Nextcloud instance to get off of Google

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Re: Setting up your own Nextcloud instance to get off of Google

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Post by ipsum2 »

flatiron wrote: post #10

I’m a solo person on google enterprise for $20 a month. It sadly cannot be beat. Unlimited storage (almost 40TB) and email is all I care about and it works pretty much flawlessly (besides this weeks outage). I wouldn’t want to have the hassle of running it myself nor the price of storing all that data. So sadly I remain with google.

I'm on a similar plan, but I'm worried about the forced upgrade to Google Workspace, which would reduce the amount of storage to 2-5TB per user. I imagine it'll be mandatory soon.

Re: Setting up your own Nextcloud instance to get off of Google

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Post by sean_pedersen »

Brainspackle wrote: post #2

someone please help me understand all the hype about nextcloud. I've tried it and found it to be a bloated mess. Why would I want to run this over several smaller apps that do the job better, just without a fancy (if you could call it that) UI to tie it all together

I concur. I am happy with my lean setup:

- SyncThing: decentralized, fast & unix aligned

- CryptPad: end-to-end encrypted, real-time collaborative editing

Re: Setting up your own Nextcloud instance to get off of Google

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Post by josephg »

jbj wrote: post #9

one month ago, I set up nextcloud on a rasperry pi with snap. It required very little work to get going, and most services are pretty decent. The only thing in the pack that I didnt like that much was the document editor, where letters appeared in the wrong order when typing too fast. this could possibly be due to running the ARM version of the backbone. But then there are other ways to edit documents, and the rest o…

> this could possibly be due to running the ARM version of the backbone.

As someone who's worked on more than a few collaborative text editors through the years, this just sounds like a correctness bug in how they're processing typing events.

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Post by canofbars »

Brainspackle wrote: post #2

someone please help me understand all the hype about nextcloud. I've tried it and found it to be a bloated mess. Why would I want to run this over several smaller apps that do the job better, just without a fancy (if you could call it that) UI to tie it all together

It just works and does everything. I run it on a ryzen "server" and its super snappy and does everything I need. Its the glue between my apple and linux devices which makes interacting with files between them almost seamless.

Re: Setting up your own Nextcloud instance to get off of Google

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Post by canofbars »

JadoJodo wrote: post #8
Brainspackle wrote: post #2

someone please help me understand all the hype about nextcloud. I've tried it and found it to be a bloated mess. Why would I want to run this over several smaller apps that do the job better, just without a fancy (if you could call it that) UI to tie it all together

Agreed. I used it for about two months and spent dozens of hours trying to help friends/family troubleshoot random glitches the clients had, the unintuitive encryption settings and hugely underwhelming performance that comes with S3-type storage. I loved the idea but it really is a bloated mess and I couldn’t trust it to work when I needed it to.

Tried remote storage and its slow like you mention, but once I ran it on a ryzen desktop with a hdd for storage the whole thing is incredibly fast and works great.

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Post by centimeter »

I tried nextcloud for a couple months earlier this year and found it to be overcomplicated poorly engineered junk. It was super unreliable on iPhone. Simple things that should have worked perfectly, like uploading or downloading files, were very unreliable. There’s a certain class of software, usually written these days in a PHP, python, or JS, where there’s a big focus on making it “easy to use” or having a nice UI that usually accomplishes neither and you also have to contend with the underlying software being bad.

At this point, the only solution I’ve found to the kind of self-hosting stuff nextcloud provides are various utilities built on top of SSH — like rsync (which works perfectly) - or samba (which works OK). I haven’t found anything that really works well on iOS.

Re: Setting up your own Nextcloud instance to get off of Google

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Post by kmclean »

Brainspackle wrote: post #2

someone please help me understand all the hype about nextcloud. I've tried it and found it to be a bloated mess. Why would I want to run this over several smaller apps that do the job better, just without a fancy (if you could call it that) UI to tie it all together

For me it was just the convenience of being able to have most of my cloud things in one place (like calendar, reminders, contacts, notes, etc). I suspect it's probably not the best solution for each of those individually, and I'm definitely curious what other options are out there, but it's quite a convenient drop-in replacement for a lot of Google's cloud offerings for people who are looking for alternatives. Also I should note I don't actually ever use the nextcloud UI itself, I don't disagree it can feel a bit clunky sometimes. I use 3rd party clients and use my personal cloud to sync everything via webDAV and cardDAV.

Re: Setting up your own Nextcloud instance to get off of Google

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Post by jamra »

josephg wrote: post #13
jbj wrote: post #9

one month ago, I set up nextcloud on a rasperry pi with snap. It required very little work to get going, and most services are pretty decent. The only thing in the pack that I didnt like that much was the document editor, where letters appeared in the wrong order when typing too fast. this could possibly be due to running the ARM version of the backbone. But then there are other ways to edit documents, and the rest o…

> this could possibly be due to running the ARM version of the backbone. As someone who's worked on more than a few collaborative text editors through the years, this just sounds like a correctness bug in how they're processing typing events.

It sounds like it to me as well. We had the same bug with content editable fields and changing then index of the selection, which is where the cursor appears.

Re: Setting up your own Nextcloud instance to get off of Google

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Post by nkrisc »

flatiron wrote: post #10

I’m a solo person on google enterprise for $20 a month. It sadly cannot be beat. Unlimited storage (almost 40TB) and email is all I care about and it works pretty much flawlessly (besides this weeks outage). I wouldn’t want to have the hassle of running it myself nor the price of storing all that data. So sadly I remain with google.

> Unlimited storage (almost 40TB)

Huh? One of those is finite and the other is not.

Re: Setting up your own Nextcloud instance to get off of Google

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Post by mistrial9 »

happy nextcloud admin here - sticking with v18 for now since I have no use for office-calendar things. File sharing links and the video chat working just fine, using it for small team meetings and it works well enough. At some later date, I might look at some of the many, many cloud transfer protocols supported under-the-hood (as seen by looking through the installed php source files).
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