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Stanford apologizes after vaccine allocation leaves out medical residents

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Re: Stanford apologizes after vaccine allocation leaves out medical residents

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Why should residents who are young and very low risk be a high priority? The answer is simple. They shouldn’t.

This is absurd to complain about. Lots of other people should be higher priority.

Edit: I’m not surprised at the downvotes, but I’m just laughing. It’s like everybody’s brain has turned to mush! How on earth do you expect them to prioritize these vaccines if not based on age and other risk factors?

Re: Stanford apologizes after vaccine allocation leaves out medical residents

#12
The labor of medical residents is something hospital systems exploit during normal times, but that exploitation has severely deepened during the pandemic. At the hospital my partner works at, respiratory therapists and nurses got a $10k bonus for working during COVID; the residents got nothing despite working insane hours in ICU, routinely working more than the legally mandated 90 hours per week. Just because doctors earn more later in their careers does not excuse the level of labor exploitation they are subject to during residency.

Stanford is not the only hospital system to restrict access to the vaccine from frontline residents. I can name 3 other local hospital systems in my city that have vaccinated administrative & C-suite/VP level staff before doctors, nurses, and other frontline employees. If vaccine allocation is getting messed up this early on within these closed systems, I can't help but think the next 2-3 phases will go awry as well--what checks are in place to ensure these vaccines get distributed to grocery store workers before people who are willing to pay more to get it early?

Re: Stanford apologizes after vaccine allocation leaves out medical residents

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The great thing about an algorithm is that when it gives you results that benefit you, you can accept them and then pass the buck on to it when people get outraged: "According to an email sent by a chief resident to other residents, Stanford's leaders explained that an algorithm was used to assign its first allotment of the vaccine. The algorithm was said to have prioritized those health care workers at highest risk…

I hope they can be pushed to publish the algorithms so we can understand exactly how this happened.

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The great thing about an algorithm is that when it gives you results that benefit you, you can accept them and then pass the buck on to it when people get outraged: "According to an email sent by a chief resident to other residents, Stanford's leaders explained that an algorithm was used to assign its first allotment of the vaccine. The algorithm was said to have prioritized those health care workers at highest risk…

An algorithm is clearly a virtual scapegoat. They’ll need to interview those who were involved in coding it. Dig deeper to find out why.

The quoted explanation sounds pretty complete to me. They used "assigned location" to determine who was working with COVID patients, but residents don't have an "assigned location", so they were incorrectly passed over even though they do in practice work with COVID patients. Maybe that doesn't completely exonerate the administrators from blame, because someone should have sanity checked the plan, but it also seems like a very understandable error to make when you're rushing.

Re: Stanford apologizes after vaccine allocation leaves out medical residents

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> "[A]lgorithms are made by people and the results ... were reviewed multiple times by people,"

You got that right. The way they talk about "an algorithm did it" makes it seem as as if they think that somehow explains it, like there was only one algorithm possible handed down from god or something.

We'll be seeing more and more of this of course. "We can't be blamed, it was an algorithm! We can't be blamed for trusting in the algorithm, because everyone knows algorithms are objective, right?"

I'm not sure "laypeople" realize that, especially in this particular case, "algorithm" is just a fancy word for "formula". Right, you MADE the formula, and it was wrong.

Re: Stanford apologizes after vaccine allocation leaves out medical residents

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The great thing about an algorithm is that when it gives you results that benefit you, you can accept them and then pass the buck on to it when people get outraged: "According to an email sent by a chief resident to other residents, Stanford's leaders explained that an algorithm was used to assign its first allotment of the vaccine. The algorithm was said to have prioritized those health care workers at highest risk…

Are you saying that the algorithm shouldn’t consider age and other risk factors? What in the world do you want them to do, give it to babies because they are cute?

Re: Stanford apologizes after vaccine allocation leaves out medical residents

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The great thing about an algorithm is that when it gives you results that benefit you, you can accept them and then pass the buck on to it when people get outraged: "According to an email sent by a chief resident to other residents, Stanford's leaders explained that an algorithm was used to assign its first allotment of the vaccine. The algorithm was said to have prioritized those health care workers at highest risk…

The whole mess has demonstrated why ethical AI research is important. It's so easy for people to disregard why and how biases exist in their systems when it doesn't affect them personally.

What happened had nothing to do with ethical AI research. People in power put themselves first. This has happened before computers as well.

Re: Stanford apologizes after vaccine allocation leaves out medical residents

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> According to an email sent by a chief resident to other residents, Stanford's leaders explained that an algorithm was used to assign its first allotment of the vaccine. The algorithm was said to have prioritized those health care workers at highest risk for COVID infections, along with factors like age and the location or unit where they work in the hospital. Residents apparently did not have an assigned location, and along with their typically young age, they were dropped low on the priority list.

So, basically, whoever coded up the algorithm for personal COVID-risk forgot to take care of null-states for the location input.

So much for all the outrage over selfish intent.

Sure, it's possible that the admins purposefully created this glitch so as to have a reasonable fallback story in the case they got caught, but per Occam's Razor, I think it's much more likely it was a dumb, honest mistake.

Re: Stanford apologizes after vaccine allocation leaves out medical residents

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The great thing about an algorithm is that when it gives you results that benefit you, you can accept them and then pass the buck on to it when people get outraged: "According to an email sent by a chief resident to other residents, Stanford's leaders explained that an algorithm was used to assign its first allotment of the vaccine. The algorithm was said to have prioritized those health care workers at highest risk…

The whole mess has demonstrated why ethical AI research is important. It's so easy for people to disregard why and how biases exist in their systems when it doesn't affect them personally.

If Stanford truly used ML to generate the algorithm, there’s really no back-tracing to find where the decision went wrong besides looking through datasets. There’s your perfect scapegoat.

Re: Stanford apologizes after vaccine allocation leaves out medical residents

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The great thing about an algorithm is that when it gives you results that benefit you, you can accept them and then pass the buck on to it when people get outraged: "According to an email sent by a chief resident to other residents, Stanford's leaders explained that an algorithm was used to assign its first allotment of the vaccine. The algorithm was said to have prioritized those health care workers at highest risk…

Are you saying that the algorithm shouldn’t consider age and other risk factors? What in the world do you want them to do, give it to babies because they are cute?

If those babies work with thousands of potentially COVID patients and your father gets sick and get to a hospital, you will understand it.
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