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Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

#11

Jesus, if true this has gotta be a mortal wound to Zoom

I highly doubt the behavior of a single rogue employee will present any significant difficulty to Zoom, to say nothing of being a mortal wound.

An executive is not quite a "single rogue employee"

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

#12

Jesus, if true this has gotta be a mortal wound to Zoom

I highly doubt the behavior of a single rogue employee will present any significant difficulty to Zoom, to say nothing of being a mortal wound.

It's highly doubtful that this are just the actions of a single rogue actor.

The CCP requires that all eventually companies have CCP members embedded in the company as an instrument of control.

Irrespective of the Zoom executives disposition/views - they're going to be under immense pressure for a host of related things.

"The party’s efforts to place itself inside private companies have been, according to its own figures, very successful. One recent survey by the Central Organisation Department, the party’s personnel body, found that 68% of China’s private companies had party bodies by 2016, and 70% of foreign enterprises. Although these figures sound high, they don’t match the targets the party has set for itself. In Xi’s old stamping ground of Zhejiang, for example, officials set a target in August 2018 to have cells inside 95% of private businesses. There was a need, the survey said, to retain the revolutionary spirit inside the companies as their ownership was handed on to the next generation." [1]

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/25/china-business...

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

#13

Jesus, if true this has gotta be a mortal wound to Zoom

I highly doubt the behavior of a single rogue employee will present any significant difficulty to Zoom, to say nothing of being a mortal wound.

I think it's unlikely to be an isolated incident, 20 years from now we'll be reading stories about the CCP listening to every zoom call in the world for years. (Just the same as the CIA did with Crypto AG[1])

They were routing all calls such that the CCP could listen to them. [2]

They lied about calls being End-To-End encrypted. [3]

Zoom was founded by a Chinese national and all of their development is done in China. [4]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto_AG

[2] https://citizenlab.ca/2020/04/move-fast-roll-your-own-crypto...

[3] https://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-zoom-plans-to-bette...

[4] https://technode.com/2020/04/13/is-zoom-crazy-to-count-on-ch...

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

#14
The real issue is how such a fundamentally important thing - video communications - isn't rock solid and a commodity by now such that any of FAANG, Verizon/AT&T and a host of others don't provide it as easy as anything else.

Imagine if you thought CCP were reading your emails? Would your company/school/government use that service? I don't think so.

Having supply chain problems for ASICS is one thing.

But 'video conferencing' ... my gosh we should be embarrassed as an industry that this wasn't nailed down a decade ago.

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

#15
Is this likely to go anywhere? The press release says an arrest warrant was issued, but the person charged isn't in custody. I doubt china is going to send him over, nor is he going to be on a plane headed to the US anytime soon, so nothing's going to happen to him unless he decides to enter the US?

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

#17

I’ve never even heard of either of the things they’ve charged. I wonder why they went with conspiracy to commit interstate harassment and conspiracy to transfer means of identification rather than with CFAA or wiretapping charges.

Wiretapping probably requires zoom to be a public utility. CFAA I don't know enough about.

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

#18
post #6

What other platforms compete with Zoom with comparable API integrations? We need features including: OAuth, Meeting scheduling, meeting link generation (without requiring user accounts), managing recordings, meeting status webhooks, etc. https://marketplace.zoom.us/docs/api-reference/zoom-api

https://jitsi.org/ Opensource version of zoom

https://meet.google.com/ Google Meet(recording is with the enterprise version) integrates with google calendar

https://www.gotomeeting.com/

https://www.skype.com/en/free-conference-call/

https://www.bluejeans.com/

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

#19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I highly doubt the behavior of a single rogue employee will present any significant difficulty to Zoom, to say nothing of being a mortal wound.

An executive is not quite a "single rogue employee"

If it's a single executive, and the executive is a rogue, then it is exactly a single rogue employee.

Also, although it's beside the point from the perspective of whether what I said is true, I read the complaint. It's not clear if this guy was an executive executive, or an account "executive" (i.e. a low-level administrator). I'm inclined to believe the latter based on the actions he is alleged to have taken.

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

#20
As alleged, the defendant was an active agent of the CCP and PRC intelligence[a] working inside an American company to deny the rights of freedom of speech and religion to residents of America.[b] The PRC is willfully breaking American law to disenfranchise Americans of their constitutional rights.

[a] “The allegations in the complaint lay bare the Faustian bargain that the PRC government demands of U.S. technology companies doing business within the PRC’s borders, and the insider threat that those companies face from their own employees in the PRC,” said Acting United States Attorney Seth D. DuCharme. “As alleged, Jin worked closely with the PRC government and members of PRC intelligence services to help the PRC government silence the political and religious speech of users of the platform of a U.S. technology company. Jin willingly committed crimes, and sought to mislead others at the company, to help PRC authorities censor and punish U.S. users’ core political speech merely for exercising their rights to free expression."

[b] "As this complaint alleges, that freedom was directly infringed upon by the pernicious activities of Communist China’s Intelligence Services, in support of a regime that neither reflects nor upholds our democratic values,” said FBI Director Christopher Wray. “Americans should understand that the Chinese Government will not hesitate to exploit companies operating in China to further their international agenda, including repression of free speech.”

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